Hi Paul,
No I wouldn't put the cross or possibly pure T.g.antakyensis in a T.g.terrestris group. I always try to keep groups pure. This always makes sure you have the best compatability and the best fertility rate. With the animals you have your talking about setting up 4 groups
As I keep looking at female 1 I'm more inclined to say she's pure T.g.antakyensis. She's from Syria and there are males out there.
I happen to have a pair of these same T.g.antakyensis from Syria.
My female isn't large enough to lay yet, but the male is adult.

Danny

I guess I'm fortunate to have four different animals to study up close. I do notice F1's more elongated pointy snout and in measurement the 5th vertebral is just ever so slightly longer than the 3rd. Is the vertebral characteristic found even in hatchlings?

All in all, this has helped me along with my being able to differentiate Graeca. Thanks for you input and the helpful posts you have made Dan.

Paul

Your welcome Paul

The only ones I've bred are Jordanian/antakyensis crosses so far and the hatchlings don't have a larger than normal 5th vertebral. Now whether thats a trait of the crosses or maybe of them being female I'm not sure.
I will hopefully be finding out this year as my Lebanese female T.g.antakyensis has a male that matches her now. These guys are pure so will be interesting to see what the hatchlings look like compared to the ones I've got already.

Danny