As most of you know I recently made a deal to purchase 1.5 adult Three Toed Box turtles. Well today is now supposed to be the day he is shipping, since he couldnt do it Mon or Tues. Now I wake up to find an email telling me he is going to have to ship them USPS (ILLEGAL) or ask for more money for shipping. He quoted $50 for shipping and thats what I have paid him. I will not agree to let him ship USPS since I know its illegal to ship turtles in that manner. Ive been waiting a week for him to ship them and now on ship day he comes up with this. A couple of times he has offered to refund my money for various reasons, such as not getting me the pics he promised. I think he is just trying to flake on me because someone offered him more money for the turtles. He did mention when he was waiting the 2 days for my deposit on them that he had others waiting. Im so mad right now I cant see straight.

Here is his email from this morning....

Sorry but I just wanted to rant a little on this and see what everyone else thinks.....Also I did receive my adult RF tort male who is nearly 5lbs overnight via USPS and it cost them a whopping $32. (I was not told they were shipping him this way, but they did claim torts are legal, not turtles so I dont know) I really find $80 very hard to swallow.

This post was last modified: 03-26-2008 02:16 AM by JustAnja.

I think he's trying to squeeze every possible penny he can out of this sale. This is probably a common business practice of his. If you don't mind, perhaps publishing this info along with personal name and business name will help others to avoid him. If he sells on kingsnake, I think they would want this info. Does he sell other herps ?

Just an idea but where is this guy located? It seems like there are quite a few people on this board from all over the place. With all of the help you offer everyday maybe if someone was in the same area as this guy maybe someone could pick up your new to be friends and ship them the proper way.

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This guy replied to an ad I placed on kingsnake looking for female Three Toeds. He priced them to me at $25, so I ended up taking all 5 and he was throwing in the male for free because he was *skinny from breeding*. No big deal, I have 3 adults males.

I will wait to see how he handles things today before I post his information. But if this gets nasty I will be posting his details and will post them over at the BOI as well.

This is my reply to him.

He has refunded my money this morning, but only after accusing me of getting snippy over shipping??? Gotta love it when they try to turn things around on you. lol He had 2 weeks to determine his shipping was going to cost more, he should not have set and agreed on a price including shipping without getting a quote first. That was stupid on his part.

He also says that turtles were OK'd about 5 years ago with the US Postal Service. Anyone know anything on that? I know for sure in 2003-2004 they were still against USPS regulations. I have not heard of anything changing.

To tell the truth I have never cared for USPS for shipping any animals because of their rather cavalier atitude. I know that overnite USPS can take up to 4 days (I lost 50 heritage turkey polts this way) and livestock losses are responsibility of shipper and receiver, therefore I avoid when I can. Now we all know UPS, DHL, and FEDEX don't deliver to the wilds of Wisconsin even though they will to the wilds of Iowa.

I especially like this reply from him this morning regarding the $80 USPS quote. Note my zip code is 53091. I just went and checked and for an 18*18*18 box weighing 5lbs. (6 adult box turtles wont weigh much more than that right?) I got Priority Mail 2 days $35.95 (overnight not available from his zip to mine)

Who is this?

Some guy named Andrew Owen from Tacoma, WA. If you would like me to send you the emails so that you can see what went on from day one message me and give me your email address.

Basically I had posted an ad looking for adult female Three Toeds on kingsnake. A couple of weeks later he replied to me offering females, said he had plenty. (I had just picked up the Hermanns from Ann so I didnt have the disposable cash that I had when I posted the ad) I asked him how much for 3-4 and he told me $25 each. I asked how many he had available and he told me 5, he offered all 5 plus the free male for $175 shipped. I agreed and asked if he would mind me making a pmt the Wed coming up and one the following Wed when my direct deposits go in. He agreed and I actually sent him the first pmt a day or two ahead of time. Last Wed a week ago is when I made the 2nd pmt and he said he would be shipping Monday. Well Monday comes and he had emailed sometime during the night saying he wouldnt be able to make it to UPS Mon or Tues and could be ship Wed. I agreed and just said that was OK as long as they actually went out Wed, since I dont like to have anything shipped any later in the week than that. Then I wake up today, shipping day, to the email basically demanding more money for shipping the turtles. I never once got snippy with him regarding shipping and agreed to everything he had asked and followed through with everything on my end as agreed. Im still sticking with someone offered him more money for them and he regretted offering them to me for that price.

Well now I am back to square one looking for more adult female Three Toed Box Turtles. lol

Oh and just for snits and giggles here is the UPS quote I just got. lol

UPS Next Day Air Early A.M.®

Billable Weight: 5.0 lbs.
1 10:00 A.M.
Thursday
March 27, 2008 105.94 USD*
Ship
UPS Next Day Air®

Billable Weight: 5.0 lbs.
1 12:00 P.M.
Thursday
March 27, 2008 72.17 USD*
Ship
UPS Next Day Air Saver®

Billable Weight: 5.0 lbs.
1 By End of Day
Thursday
March 27, 2008 65.41 USD*