Hey guys, here's some more/clearer pics of my Greeks so it's better to properly identify. I also have a few questions... first of all, are they still ok to be housed together even though they are different subspecies? And two, how big will they each get?


Jade... my Jordanian/Israel =)








And Isis my possible cross?









Thanks in advance!!

This post was last modified: 03-18-2008 03:31 PM by atomicjade.

I don't have answers, just they're both gorgeous and I LOVE the Jordanian!

WOW beautiful torts

They really shouldn't be housed together. With the new pictures of your male, he's a light colored Lebanese T.g.antakyensis.
Your female Jordanian will get about 6 inches Straight Carapace Length (SCL). Your male T.g.antakyensis will get about 6 inches SCL also.
They look great

Danny

Yeah I guessed Right - male, getting better everyday!!! They are cute by the way..

Ohh great! LOL I was told they were both females... guess that shows how much the guy knew. (And myself I suppose!) Also Isis isn't a very manly name so now he is Turbo! And how are these tortoises as far as the female to male ratio goes? I know with some it's more recommended to just stick with females or at least have 2 females for every male or only one male in one group... you get the idea. Just curious, how can you tell he is a male? I want to know so in the future I know what to look for!

What should I do as far as housing goes? I literally just moved them outside (it's a wooden crate 40"x47" is this big enough to last them?) and it'd be a pain to make an entire other enclosure. But if it's recommended, I'll do it, they are my responsibility! Does anyone have any good outdoor enclosure ideas? I live in Florida as well so our weather stays pretty warm/mild!

And thank you very much, I think I've learned more from Dan about these tortoises than anywhere else, just by him replying to my posts... hehe.

Uhhg one more question... is there any way to estimate how old they are? They are both about 4 1/2 inches.. and the female is 318 grams and the other 334 grams.

Of course, thanks to everyone for replying =)

This post was last modified: 03-18-2008 05:03 PM by atomicjade.

I've had no problem keeping pairs together outside with my greeks. I don't though keep them together when they are inside.
The tail is longer than a females would be and the edge of the anal scutes (the last pair of scutes on the plastron) is a wide open V. A female has a shorter tail and a closed V.
If you can make a pen 48 X 48 and split that in half, that would be just fine for your greeks.
They are probably both about 7 years old.

Danny

My greek tortoises is the smallest and the most agressive. Any one know why? I think its because he needs a girl friend.

My two Greeks (okay my son's Greeks) are sooooo active, they consistently climb walls and flip over and half the time can't right themselves. I check on them every couple of hours because they just don't ever stop!

Okay cool! So I may be missing a point here... did you initially recommend I separate them because they are different subspecies or because they are female and male? If its because they are a pair, does this mean I don't have to separate because they are outside?

And an even bigger enclosure is recommended for two of them? At least when they are full grown?

They are very much pretty mild, but are out and about looking alert at the same time. Thanks so much and sorry for all the questions!