A New Update on red foot types

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Kelly - this is incredibly helpful to me. I have a 1.5 year old baby, Gibby, who is round and flat, top and side views respectively. My other two recently-adopted rescue rf's are very "oblong" and very, very tall, top and side views respectively.

I started a thread somewhere else the other day, asking people if my round, flat little guy has problems because he is SUCH a different shape. Now I see here this is a matter of natural gene pools that have developed regionally.

This thread is very informative and comforting to me, worried that Gib was malformed because he's so broad and flat.

Thank you for all your very valuable contributions to this community in particular, and for your general contributions to the body of rf knowledge too.
I looked over that thread and didn't see any issues at all, what your seeing in comparison to the other rescues is just a different husbandry result. When a tortoise starts to pyramid or is in conditions less than favorable of a perfect microclimate they seem to grow upwards. This is also a combination of diet too. All of our youngster Redfoots we keep grow at a more flat, smooth rate than of a oblong high growth. Your growth on gib is perfectly fine. It could also show differences in genetic make up from the parents too.

Youngsters showing a more flat physical appearance as you have mentioned.
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And then as adults this is what physically is trying to be achieved to resemble a WC animal.
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And not this. Although we have seen plenty like this come through our care that appear and act completely healthy, we don't know what the longevity of animals representing this physical shape end up like as mature adults many many years-decades down the line.
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THANK YOU! The pictures and simple explanations really help!!! Yes, Gibby is wide and flat and smooth like the babies you are showing that you keep and raise. I'm going to soak the bumps out if my rescues and give the same nutrition and care Gib has enjoyed.

Thanks again, for all the time you have spent responding to my concerns, warm regards,
Karen



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THANK YOU! The pictures and simple explanations really help!!! Yes, Gibby is wide and flat and smooth like the babies you are showing that you keep and raise. I'm going to soak the bumps out if my rescues and give the same nutrition and care Gib has enjoyed.

Thanks again, for all the time you have spent responding to my concerns, warm regards,
Karen



Karen and little red foot baby Gibby
Your welcome, you won't see much improvement in the beginning on those guys. But it will eventually many years from now show differently for sure.
 

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I had some requests on an old thread I did on some different types of redfoots I have had over a decade or longer. So here is some new photos of some.Hi there, I notice the wild caught have an absolute smooth carapace, do you or anyone know if there is anyone who has imitated this in captivity. I once read that when they reach a certain ripe old age they naturally start smoothing off, is this true and if so at what age. Thanks for sharing photos with us

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Venezuelan F3 12 year olds (Male on right Female on left)

Male on right female on left


Guyana WC male F2 Female( Male on left unknown age LTC 11 years, Female CBF2 12 years old)



Bolivian Male F2 (male is 7 years old)



Bolivian Female F2(Female is 12 Years old)



Suriname WC (Female is smaller one male is larger LTC 15 years)



Brazilian F2 (Male CBF2 10 years old female 8 Years old)




Should be enough for now.
 

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Not sure if my 1st attempt to post worked so here it is again:)

Hi there, I notice the wild caught have an absolute smooth carapace, do you or anyone know if there is anyone who has imitated this in captivity. I once read that when they reach a certain ripe old age they naturally start smoothing off, is this true and if so at what age. Thanks for sharing photos with us

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Not sure if my 1st attempt to post worked so here it is again:)

Hi there, I notice the wild caught have an absolute smooth carapace, do you or anyone know if there is anyone who has imitated this in captivity. I once read that when they reach a certain ripe old age they naturally start smoothing off, is this true and if so at what age. Thanks for sharing photos with us

Craig
I have 7 or 8 adults I raised from babies that are quite smooth. There not smooth like glass in regards to the WC. But they have very limited to no pyramiding at all. The older ones are starting to get the bowling ball smoothness to them. There around 14 years old.
 

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I have 7 or 8 adults I raised from babies that are quite smooth. There not smooth like glass in regards to the WC. But they have very limited to no pyramiding at all. The older ones are starting to get the bowling ball smoothness to them. There around 14 years old.
So do think the 14yr olds are fully grown, Do they smooth out slightly when there carapace is fully grown.
 
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Tortadise, can you please tell me what type of red footed tortoises I have. They have all the same markings on their head. Only one of my tortoises carapace is different looking but that tortoise is 4 years old, the others are much older. Thank you!!
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Can you get some pics of the plastron? It's very hard to tell without knowing where they came from originally. But most are northerns from Guyana, Suriname and Some northwestern clads from Columbia. Where did you get them from?
 

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Can you get some pics of the plastron? It's very hard to tell without knowing where they came from originally. But most are northerns from Guyana, Suriname and Some northwestern clads from Columbia. Where did you get them from?
Ok thanks, I got them all in Michigan at petstores a year a part back in 2008. But not at petco or petsmart petstores, like exotic petstores.
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Oh no they will keep growing, just at a much slower rate now.
Oh no they will keep growing, just at a much slower rate now.
Thank you Kelly for this thread. The other day I started a thread asking if anybody else had redfoots that look so different in the face.
I wondered if there appearance was relevant to the exact location of there origin. You have put my mind at rest. Think I must have one from every part that reds live. lol I'm relatively new to redfoots and learning everyday thanks to this forum and other research. I'm guessing there is still a lot to learn for everyone about these fine creatures. I watch, interact and observe mine every day. Now you are probably going to think i'm mad for my next statement.
Have you ever noticed that males have a longer neck and the females bite is harder than the males.
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Thank you Kelly for this thread. The other day I started a thread asking if anybody else had redfoots that look so different in the face.
I wondered if there appearance was relevant to the exact location of there origin. You have put my mind at rest. Think I must have one from every part that reds live. lol I'm relatively new to redfoots and learning everyday thanks to this forum and other research. I'm guessing there is still a lot to learn for everyone about these fine creatures. I watch, interact and observe mine every day. Now you are probably going to think i'm mad for my next statement.
Have you ever noticed that males have a longer neck and the females bite is harder than the males.
Thanks

Craig
I'm learning everyday too!! It's almost like starting all over :) I really didn't know much! I can't wait for my book though!!
 

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