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Tidgy's Dad

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I really hope newbies (and I am still one of them though my experience of torts is longer than my membership) don't read this thread ( Though it seems some of them don't read ANY threads.)
It will frighten people away.
Anyway, risking ridicule, here's my say, for what it's worth.
1) It is not always necessary to have experience to give advice. I have never stuck my head in an oven, but I would advise anyone not to do so. Reading can give one a lot of information, I have read a lot about pre-Etruscan pottery and believe I can talk with authority on the subject but I've never actually owned any.
2) Not everyone who is not an expert is 'ignorant'. I am here to learn and give advice from experience and what I have learned.
3) Help the tortoises. That's the point, isn't it? how many of you people are on day after day answering all the queries from worried tortoise owners and welcoming newbies to the forum. Some people that do this only answer one question or say welcome and then disappear, leaving the OP feeling abandoned, as they often need reassurance and have follow up questions.
4) You all need to spend less time arguing amongst yourselves, putting off newbies and maybe even chasing each other away from this super forum (potentially a super-duper forum) and have some fun and try to help each other, newbies, those with tortoises in distress and most importantly of all - the tortoises that are the point of this forum after all.
I hope you all love your tortoises and care about torts in general, or are you all too concerned with your own personal agendas ?
Please be nice.
 

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No, I disagree. I also asked a simple question that I believe you already know the answer to and I never have implied otherwise....did you not see the species that I host right in my signature section? That is actually a yes or no question---no need for opinion or feelings--easy right? You see, in my reply it was never sent with condescension--you apparently read it that way...also,

it's not polite in the slightest.

I really was asking you if that reply was polite enough. I really did not send that question to you with any ill intent. You really did read it in a way other than the way it was meant. If you would stop doing that then this pointless conversation would be over...I also find it would be most appropriate.


My apologies for not answering your simple question; no, I did not look up your profile and on the App, the signature section is not included. I'd still have the same follow up question, namely, what do you know about humidity levels for Sulcatas and how do you know it? Seems like the answer is that you don't and that's what makes this conversation pointless. Helpful hint: random and excessive use of ellipses and capital letters are not helping your quest for either clarity or tone.
 

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My apologies for not answering your simple question; no, I did not look up your profile and on the App, the signature section is not included. I'd still have the same follow up question, namely, what do you know about humidity levels for Sulcatas and how do you know it? Seems like the answer is that you don't and that's what makes this conversation pointless. Helpful hint: random and excessive use of ellipses and capital letters are not helping your quest for either clarity or tone.


I did not ask you if you looked up my profile, why would you do that?

What do I know about humidity levels for Sulcatas? Humidity is necessary for just about every living thing to begin with...let me switch this around on you--as I am getting awfully tired of being on stage each and every time I clearly state that I am not on the hight humidity closed chamber wet soggy tortoise enclosure train as a cure all for a perfect shell, which in itself does not mean the tortoise as a whole is healthy--we see too many smooth looking babies deaths shared here on this forum)...what solid proof, research, documents do you have in your possession to show that this is the best way to assure a healthy tortoise...and I don't mean the information in the last couple of years....and even more narrowed down---not the information here from the last couple of years....I mea out in the real world?
 

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My apologies for not answering your simple question; no, I did not look up your profile and on the App, the signature section is not included. I'd still have the same follow up question, namely, what do you know about humidity levels for Sulcatas and how do you know it? Seems like the answer is that you don't and that's what makes this conversation pointless. Helpful hint: random and excessive use of ellipses and capital letters are not helping your quest for either clarity or tone.



Oh...and I will express myself in any manner I like. Rest assured, I am on no quest for clarity nor tone, we are hearing one another bang on....
 

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Oh well, I tried.
I hate being ignored.
I give up, not that anyone's listening anyway, which was, in part, my point.


Apology from me to you and to all of the newbies that will read this post. I have to admit and again, apologize for my manners and allowing myself to be pulled into the petty garbage that a handful of members here encourage....until recently I usually try to stay out of this type of tennis match and will return to that. I believe the errors in my way begin when I hear only one aspect being addressed and other important variables ignored...and then I see another persons baby tortoise pay the ultimate price....then the undertones of failure are quick to be handed out because someone did not follow the popular ways.....this is where I will stop.

Thank you for the sensibility you have just brought to me, have a good night.
 

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Apology from me to you and to all of the newbies that will read this post. I have to admit and again, apologize for my manners and allowing myself to be pulled into the petty garbage that a handful of members here encourage....until recently I usually try to stay out of this type of tennis match and will return to that. I believe the errors in my way begin when I hear only one aspect being addressed and other important variables ignored...and then I see another persons baby tortoise pay the ultimate price....then the undertones of failure are quick to be handed out because someone did not follow the popular ways.....this is where I will stop.

Thank you for the sensibility you have just brought to me, have a good night.
You too.
 

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@ascott, just to clarify... Those of us that use TFO from cell phones (the app or browser) do not see signatures. ..at all. They are not included under the posts like they are when using TFO in a computer. We would have to look up your profile to find it...I think, although I've never tried.

That's why the other member has never seen your signature and mentioned viewing your profile...
 

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Oh...and I will express myself in any manner I like. Rest assured, I am on no quest for clarity nor tone, we are hearing one another bang on....

By all means, express yourself. But absent clarity it is not at all clear what your point is or if you have one. Absent tone, you can't blame the reader for your apparent rudeness.
 

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I really hope newbies (and I am still one of them though my experience of torts is longer than my membership) don't read this thread ( Though it seems some of them don't read ANY threads.)
It will frighten people away.
Anyway, risking ridicule, here's my say, for what it's worth.
1) It is not always necessary to have experience to give advice. I have never stuck my head in an oven, but I would advise anyone not to do so. Reading can give one a lot of information, I have read a lot about pre-Etruscan pottery and believe I can talk with authority on the subject but I've never actually owned any.
2) Not everyone who is not an expert is 'ignorant'. I am here to learn and give advice from experience and what I have learned.
3) Help the tortoises. That's the point, isn't it? how many of you people are on day after day answering all the queries from worried tortoise owners and welcoming newbies to the forum. Some people that do this only answer one question or say welcome and then disappear, leaving the OP feeling abandoned, as they often need reassurance and have follow up questions.
4) You all need to spend less time arguing amongst yourselves, putting off newbies and maybe even chasing each other away from this super forum (potentially a super-duper forum) and have some fun and try to help each other, newbies, those with tortoises in distress and most importantly of all - the tortoises that are the point of this forum after all.
I hope you all love your tortoises and care about torts in general, or are you all too concerned with your own personal agendas ?
Please be nice.
HERE HERE!!! Well said, Tidgy's Dad!!! There is not one sentence that could be improved! Thank you for eloquently voicing my own feelings far better than I ever could!:D I'm one of the newbies spoken of. I knew nothing about tortoises until last September. I have obsessively been learning everything I can and have gained so much knowledge from this forum and am seeing the positive results. I've also fallen carapace over claws (-couldn't resist) for some of the fun personalities I've exchanged typing with. I don't have the experience that it seems nearly EVERYONE else here has, but I've learned so much! I really enjoy the opportunity to share what has helped me, my failures and successes, and love talking torts (&love talking tort food). There have been a few posts in this argument that I suspect could make newer people like myself feel less welcome contributing or worry that our contributions are considered less valuable.

I came across this the other day and liked it enough that I thought I'd post it here...
never learned from a man who agreed with me.jpg

I still have major MAJOR lessons to learn about interacting with people (especially online) and really liked Jaizei's advice to stick with debating the topic. I think we can still have a healthy respect for people we disagree with. (<----yes, I'm addressing myself again!)
Thanks again, Tidgy's Dad!!!
 

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Y'all need to cool off.

My opinion on raising a tortoise/turtle correctly is defined within a threshold of environment, this can be moderate to difficult depending on what environmental ecosystem you reside in. Naturally every species of tortoise found throughout the world hatches and starts out in a climactic change. No temperature, humidity, rain or sun is consistent anywhere in the world. Facilitating a proper method for any reptile or animal is strictly based off a threshold and tolerances that are within a specified perimeter for said animal to flourish. There's no exact right constant method that can be utilized. So "dry" or "wet" is entirely too vague and both methods will not flourish a perfectly grown captive animal. This is a too broad of a question that entails a detailed specific husbandry. Testudo for example are prone to cool nights, humid foggy mornings and dry hot afternoons. So you have hot dry, cool and wet all in one day. That's one particular part of a season they're exposed to, so in captivity dry and hot would not be a suitable constant method of husbandry. These geographical errors are misconstrued by many many keepers. Even zoos, biologist and heavily experienced enthusiasts. Pssamobates, homopus, Angulata, and chilensis are prime examples. They're kept entirely too dry and hot at a constant. Thusly leading to the expiration of the specimens. A constant dry or humid environment is again not how any tortoise/turtle should be kept.
 

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I'm out, again. It seemed as if TFO had 'matured' a little since my last departure but I stand corrected. And, I know, no loss...
 

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HERE HERE!!! Well said, Tidgy's Dad!!! There is not one sentence that could be improved! Thank you for eloquently voicing my own feelings far better than I ever could!:D I'm one of the newbies spoken of. I knew nothing about tortoises until last September. I have obsessively been learning everything I can and have gained so much knowledge from this forum and am seeing the positive results. I've also fallen carapace over claws (-couldn't resist) for some of the fun personalities I've exchanged typing with. I don't have the experience that it seems nearly EVERYONE else here has, but I've learned so much! I really enjoy the opportunity to share what has helped me, my failures and successes, and love talking torts (&love talking tort food). There have been a few posts in this argument that I suspect could make newer people like myself feel less welcome contributing or worry that our contributions are considered less valuable.

I came across this the other day and liked it enough that I thought I'd post it here...
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I still have major MAJOR lessons to learn about interacting with people (especially online) and really liked Jaizei's advice to stick with debating the topic. I think we can still have a healthy respect for people we disagree with. (<----yes, I'm addressing myself again!)
Thanks again, Tidgy's Dad!!!
Deeply moved by your response. Thank you. And congrats on your prize. You must tell us what it was and share some with me!
I hope you continue to make this a super-duper forum.
 
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