Get a grip people

[meatball]

First, it's very cute to chastise me for not replying. However, someone is preventing me from doing just that. When I go to the thread I see that the thread is closed. I guess the moderator woke up.

Whatever a troll is. I'm guilty. The bottom line none of you could answer my questions about a very large tortoise that has been conditioned to hibernate. The useless reptile specialist everyone mocked told me it's
COMMON and healthy for large tortoises that grow up north of the Mason Dixon line to HIBERNATE/BRUMATE. Otherwise, they don't get to be 15 years old and 130 lbs. This dummy is a professor of biology at the University of New England in Boston. For those of you who don't know, relocated species react differently than in their native environment. Of course, they don't hibernate in their native environment. They don't have to. Do you wear a parka in the summer because you're in Alaska? Noooo. A healthy, adult tortoise is not the same as the 20-pound juvenile you're barely keeping alive in your kid's bedroom. My tortoise has a 20 X 12 indoor environment with 3 full spectrum lights recommended for reptiles. He broke out of this twice to go sleep in a dark corner where it was a constant 55 degrees. He has a 1/4 ACRE pen with an insulated heated hut. I have 6 wireless cameras I move around the yard so he can roam out of his pen to graze but still be watched. For those of you who indicated I'm mistreating him, your tortoise should have it so good.

All that your replies did was prove my point. You were so insulted that a newcomer would complain about ANYTHING. There wasn't a single reply that offered any help at all. What I've gathered is that unless one is willing to wait months and receive little to no help from the forum until someone decides they've been a quiet little member for a while, your forum is USELESS. Because you have so many blowhards out there that like to sound like experts when they only have limited experience with their own pet, it's also DANGEROUS. People checking out your site or those that recently joined deserve to be warned.

 

[Yvonne G]

I thought my reply was helpful. I said you should try moving the heat/lights over to the corner where he keeps wanting to be.

 

[JoesMum]

A healthy adult tortoise can be 7lb and hibernate. My Greek is one such

As I replied in your earlier thread, brumation/hibernation is NOT the same as going torpid because a cold blooded creature is too cold.

Sulcatas are not evolved to brumate. They are cold-blooded and cannot be healthy without heat.

Greeks have the bodily evolution to shut down processes almost completely and can brumate for 4 months with little or no loss of weight or hydration.

Learn the difference between brumation and a cold-blooded creature being too cold to eat and digest food before stirring things up with your ill-informed “knowledge”

 

[Toddrickfl1]

Facepalm, seriously?

 

[SULCY]

If you hibernate a Sulcata tortoise very soon you will have a dead tortoise no matter what your experts say.

 

[Yvonne G]

. . . and in response to your comment about the old thread being closed: As long as this thread stays polite with no name calling and no rudeness, it will remain open. As soon as anyone starts abusing the guidelines, it will be closed.

 

[Toddrickfl1]

Human beings live on earth where's there's gravity so they aren't able to fly, but take a human to mars and they will be able to fly all around the sky, because they want to. According to your logic. Does that make any sense?

 

[meatball]

A healthy adult tortoise can be 7lb and hibernate. My Greek is one such

As I replied in your earlier thread, brumation/hibernation is NOT the same as going torpid because a cold blooded creature is too cold.

Sulcatas are not evolved to brumate. They are cold-blooded and cannot be healthy without heat.

Greeks have the bodily evolution to shut down processes almost completely and can brumate for 4 months with little or no loss of weight or hydration.

Learn the difference between brumation and a cold-blooded creature being too cold to eat and digest food before stirring things up with your ill-informed “knowledge”

This is what I mean. Who are you that I should listen to you over a man that teaches biology to future MD's and Vets? But, let's say I do listen to you. How do you suggest I force him to stay up all winter? You are applying a general principle to a unique situation. He's not going torpid. He chooses not to eat and be warm. Those options are available to him. I kept that room at 80 ambient and 95 on his rock ALL WINTER. He can go into the warm room anytime he wants. I dragged him back in there once. Should I do that all winter? And why did he awake from this "torture" healthy enough to bring himself outside and start eating when he was ready? He had been given the same chance for two full weeks prior to him coming out. You don't know. Right?

That's the problem with this forum. Your message above is angry and general. It's your OPINION. We've all been to school and know simple biology. Try referencing something I can verify. Otherwise, you're just flapping your gums. And that is DANGEROUS.

AND NEWCOMERS TO THIS FORUM DESERVE TO BE WARNED ABOUT THE GENERAL LACK OF VERIFIABLE "KNOWLEDGE".

#NEWCOMMER

 

[meatball]

Human beings live on earth where's there's gravity so they aren't able to fly, but take a human to mars and they will be able to fly all around the sky, because they want to. According to your logic. Does that make any sense?

Humans can't fly on Mars, they can bounce. Flight infers control while in the air. You are also talking about a completely different atmosphere chemically. You analogy kinda sucks.

 

[JoesMum]

This is what I mean. Who are you that I should listen to you over a man that teaches biology to future MD's and Vets? But, let's say I do listen to you. How do you suggest I force him to stay up all winter? You are applying a general principle to a unique situation. He's not going torpid. He chooses not to eat and be warm. Those options are available to him. I kept that room at 80 ambient and 95 on his rock ALL WINTER. He can go into the warm room anytime he wants. I dragged him back in there once. Should I do that all winter? And why did he awake from this "torture" healthy enough to bring himself outside and start eating when he was ready? He had been given the same chance for two full weeks prior to him coming out. You don't know. Right?

That's the problem with this forum. Your message above is angry and general. It's your OPINION. We've all been to school and know simple biology. Try referencing something I can verify. Otherwise, you're just flapping your gums. And that is DANGEROUS.

AND NEWCOMERS TO THIS FORUM DESERVE TO BE WARNED ABOUT THE GENERAL LACK OF VERIFIABLE "KNOWLEDGE".

#NEWCOMMER

Newcomers need to respect the forum they join to earn respect. We all say things inaccurately from time to time. What matters is being willing to learn and being willing to educate. Putting everyone else's nose out of joint does not help your, or anyone else's for that matter, cause.

Learn how to interact and influence and may be, just maybe, people might start to listen.

At the moment you sound like a childish keyboard warrior. A new account and a less agepressive, more reasoned argument might do wonders

#GROWUP

PS If I said that on the topic-unrelated forum where I am a moderator I would have to ban myself. Sorry mods!

 

[Toddrickfl1]

Humans can't fly on Mars, they can bounce. Flight infers control while in the air. You are also talking about a completely different atmosphere chemically. You analogy kinda sucks.

Actually it's kinda your attitude that sucks
If nobody knows anything here
Then why are you still here I agree
GROW UP

 

[Jay Bagley]

From my own experiences here, I have gotten helpful and detailed responses on every question I have asked.

 

[meatball]

If you hibernate a Sulcata tortoise very soon you will have a dead tortoise no matter what your experts say.

So why did this 130-pound tortoise emerge from 6 months of supposed torture weighing 127 pounds and start eating my lawn immediately? He recognizes me and stays with me on walks around the yard. Just like last year. He doesn't seem like he was starved and beaten all winter.

So, you're another one offering an OPINION I can't verify. If I'm such an idiot why isn't the tortoise dead? My vet says he's healthy as can be. My vet, by the way, said there are no absolutes with these guys BECUASE they are out of their native environment. He also doesn't claim to be an expert even tho he is a veterinarian.

You don't know, do you?

Again, NEWCOMERS to this forum deserve to be warned.

 

[kerrishell]

This is what I mean. Who are you that I should listen to you over a man that teaches biology to future MD's and Vets? But, let's say I do listen to you. How do you suggest I force him to stay up all winter? You are applying a general principle to a unique situation. He's not going torpid. He chooses not to eat and be warm. Those options are available to him. I kept that room at 80 ambient and 95 on his rock ALL WINTER. He can go into the warm room anytime he wants. I dragged him back in there once. Should I do that all winter? And why did he awake from this "torture" healthy enough to bring himself outside and start eating when he was ready? He had been given the same chance for two full weeks prior to him coming out. You don't know. Right?

That's the problem with this forum. Your message above is angry and general. It's your OPINION. We've all been to school and know simple biology. Try referencing something I can verify. Otherwise, you're just flapping your gums. And that is DANGEROUS.

AND NEWCOMERS TO THIS FORUM DESERVE TO BE WARNED ABOUT THE GENERAL LACK OF VERIFIABLE "KNOWLEDGE".

#NEWCOMMER

Oh gosh we know you must be knowledgeable when the CAPSLOCK comes out.

 

[Toddrickfl1]

From my own experiences here, I have gotten helpful and detailed responses on every question I have asked.

His biology specialist is probably the one who taught your vet how to sex Sulcatas

 

[Jay Bagley]

His biology specialist is probably the one who taught your vet how to sex Sulcatas

That would be a good assumption

 

[meatball]

. . . and in response to your comment about the old thread being closed: As long as this thread stays polite with no name calling and no rudeness, it will remain open. As soon as anyone starts abusing the guidelines, it will be closed.

You are the worst offender out there. I contacted you directly and you never responded. I see you found the time to reply to this thread tho.

Your forum is DANGEROUS. People who visit ARE NOT going to take weeks to read 1000's of entries and figure out who knows what they are talking about. So, every incorrect piece of advice could actually KILL someone's pet. I spent several hours looking around that forum before joining. The average visitor will not. Are you comfortable with being responsible for spreading that kind of misinformation? And the results?

If you're serious about being the premier forum for tortoises, you need to step up your game a lot. As it is, your just a social club for people who think they know what they are talking about. You guys come up first in a google search for tortoise forums. To me, that puts the onus on you to be sure you control your threads and make sure people aren't spreading opinion as fact. You aren't currently doing that. As long as you allow the public at your posts without a warning, you are doing more harm than good. I sincerely believe this, I'm not just giving you guys a hard time for yucks.

 

[JoesMum]

You are the worst offender out there. I contacted you directly and you never responded. I see you found the time to reply to this thread tho.

Your forum is DANGEROUS. People who visit ARE NOT going to take weeks to read 1000's of entries and figure out who knows what they are talking about. So, every incorrect piece of advice could actually KILL someone's pet. I spent several hours looking around that forum before joining. The average visitor will not. Are you comfortable with being responsible for spreading that kind of misinformation? And the results?

If you're serious about being the premier forum for tortoises, you need to step up your game a lot. As it is, your just a social club for people who think they know what they are talking about. You guys come up first in a google search for tortoise forums. To me, that puts the onus on you to be sure you control your threads and make sure people aren't spreading opinion as fact. You aren't currently doing that. As long as you allow the public at your posts without a warning, you are doing more harm than good. I sincerely believe this, I'm not just giving you guys a hard time for yucks.

Well at least you are mouthing off in your own thread.

When you are ready to bring reasoned and reasonable argument to discussion then I’ll bother to engage with you further

To use your caps

ANGRY CAPS ALWAYS FAIL.



Byeee!

 

[daniellenc]

Why not just let him hibernate his sulcata? He’s convinced it’s fine even though no one else’s does this despite not living in Africa. Tortoises can go months without eating and while it’s not ideal and they’re not built to do it he’s more concerned with being right.

 

[Jaid10]

First, it's very cute to chastise me for not replying. However, someone is preventing me from doing just that. When I go to the thread I see that the thread is closed. I guess the moderator woke up.

Whatever a troll is. I'm guilty. The bottom line none of you could answer my questions about a very large tortoise that has been conditioned to hibernate. The useless reptile specialist everyone mocked told me it's
COMMON and healthy for large tortoises that grow up north of the Mason Dixon line to HIBERNATE/BRUMATE. Otherwise, they don't get to be 15 years old and 130 lbs. This dummy is a professor of biology at the University of New England in Boston. For those of you who don't know, relocated species react differently than in their native environment. Of course, they don't hibernate in their native environment. They don't have to. Do you wear a parka in the summer because you're in Alaska? Noooo. A healthy, adult tortoise is not the same as the 20-pound juvenile you're barely keeping alive in your kid's bedroom. My tortoise has a 20 X 12 indoor environment with 3 full spectrum lights recommended for reptiles. He broke out of this twice to go sleep in a dark corner where it was a constant 55 degrees. He has a 1/4 ACRE pen with an insulated heated hut. I have 6 wireless cameras I move around the yard so he can roam out of his pen to graze but still be watched. For those of you who indicated I'm mistreating him, your tortoise should have it so good.

All that your replies did was prove my point. You were so insulted that a newcomer would complain about ANYTHING. There wasn't a single reply that offered any help at all. What I've gathered is that unless one is willing to wait months and receive little to no help from the forum until someone decides they've been a quiet little member for a while, your forum is USELESS. Because you have so many blowhards out there that like to sound like experts when they only have limited experience with their own pet, it's also DANGEROUS. People checking out your site or those that recently joined deserve to be warned.

Not to be rube but the hibernation or whatever it is is very uncommon. These people are trying their best to help but they probably have never heard of a sulcata that hibernates. Don’t get me wrong I am absolutely no expert but is it possible the people that you got him from thought he was supposed to hibernate and didn’t have much heat for him or didn’t feed him much during the winter, maybe it’s possible he’s continuing that or something? Please tell me if I’m wrong. I know I don’t know much about torts and don’t even know if that’s possible. Maybe some pics of him would help???