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This from a Harvard education site:

How long can the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 survive on surfaces?

A recent study found that the COVID-19 coronavirus can survive up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The researchers also found that this virus can hang out as droplets in the air for up to three hours before they fall. But most often they will fall more quickly.

There's a lot we still don't know, such as how different conditions, such as exposure to sunlight, heat, or cold, can affect these survival times.

As we learn more, continue to follow the CDC's recommendations for cleaning frequently touched surfaces and objects every day. These include counters, tabletops, doorknobs, bathroom fixtures, toilets, phones, keyboards, tablets, and bedside tables.

If surfaces are dirty, first clean them using a detergent and water, then disinfect them. A list of products suitable for use against COVID-19 is available here. This list has been pre-approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for use during the COVID-19 outbreak.

In addition, wash your hands for 20 seconds with soap and water after bringing in packages, or after trips to the grocery store or other places where you may have come into contact with infected surfaces.
The CDC released a statement today that traces of the virus were found in a room on one of those cruse ships 17 days after everyone was off it. No other details were given that I heard.
 

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The CDC released a statement today that traces of the virus were found in a room on one of those cruse ships 17 days after everyone was off it. No other details were given that I heard.

Unsurprising. And it highlights the importance of personal and environmental cleanliness, and of staying clear of public spaces.

If you own a business that has been suspended, take this opportunity to disinfect the heck out of every nook and cranny.

If you are just hanging around the house, ditto.

eta: Also, the U.S. federal 15-day plan? Baloney.
 

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Controversial to your other meds ? What do you have to take every day ( meds ) ?
Hello. It's controversial legally in our country to tell someone that you might be better off if you take a certain herb. Especially if you are selling them. If Echinacea interfers with a medicine I'm taking I'll stop the medicine first. I'm only taking 3. They would like to drug me with more. I do believe you should tell your doctor first though. I may have witnessed disastorous results from using both at the same time with some of the stronger herbs. I've seen Echinacea do miracles for animals also. It works.
 

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The CDC released a statement today that traces of the virus were found in a room on one of those cruse ships 17 days after everyone was off it. No other details were given that I heard.
What better environment could a virus want? It's so nice and balmy on a ship.
 

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Death of a child in Los Angeles being investigated for COVID-19 involvement:


L.A.'s Director of Health says their hospitalization rate of known-infected patients is 18% (nearly 1 out of every 5).
 

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Well, Im officially one of the 3.4 million people to file for unemployment. I never thought in 100 years I would ever have to do this. I was pretty bummed at first but it immediately switched to being thankful and grateful for the fact we live in a place where we have something like this to fall back on. I live paycheck to paycheck so it was my last option. There’s always a good side to everything. I get to spend a ton of time with my daughter and I still have a roof over my head and food on the table. It’s a lot more than others have. Just think of all those happy torts and turtles out there! They’re getting soooo much extra attention!
 

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Well, Im officially one of the 3.4 million people to file for unemployment. I never thought in 100 years I would ever have to do this. I was pretty bummed at first but it immediately switched to being thankful and grateful for the fact we live in a place where we have something like this to fall back on. I live paycheck to paycheck so it was my last option. There’s always a good side to everything. I get to spend a ton of time with my daughter and I still have a roof over my head and food on the table. It’s a lot more than others have. Just think of all those happy torts and turtles out there! They’re getting soooo much extra attention!
Man. You are so not alone.
 

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Well, Im officially one of the 3.4 million people to file for unemployment. I never thought in 100 years I would ever have to do this. I was pretty bummed at first but it immediately switched to being thankful and grateful for the fact we live in a place where we have something like this to fall back on. I live paycheck to paycheck so it was my last option. There’s always a good side to everything. I get to spend a ton of time with my daughter and I still have a roof over my head and food on the table. It’s a lot more than others have. Just think of all those happy torts and turtles out there! They’re getting soooo much extra attention!
Same boat brother. 25 years I've been at this career and never needed unemployment. I figure that I've been paying into the system all these years, I might as well get something back out of it when I need it. My entire industry is completely shut down for the foreseeable future.
 

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The news is pretty confusing.
The experts are saying that the worst is still weeks away. But our administration keeps hinting that this will all pass by mid April.
Maybe I'll watch the cartoon network.
I highly recommend Rick and Morty on Adult Swim. Watch the episodes in order. Brilliant writing and executed excellently.
 

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When all is said and done the mortality rate for this particular version of the Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) will probably be less than 1%. We must remember that the statistics are all over the board right now because the PCR testing is unreliable, at best. It is a very sensitive test prone to false positives. The reason South Korea has the lowest apparent mortality rate is because they tested EVERYONE. We have only just begun to test people and so far we are only testing the very sick and dying. China quit testing their people with the PCR test because of the unreliability of the test and chose to rely on x-ray and ct scans of the lungs and labeled anyone with signs of pneumonia as COVID-19 positive. Our regular flu statistics are also unreliable as the CDC includes pneumonia cases in the flu statistics. People who die WITH this version of the coronavirus die from pneumonia. China found that treating their patients with IV Vitamin C helped the most.

Coronavirus has been around for well over 100 years and there are many different versions of coronavirus. This version is the newest. Whether it naturally occurred, was created accidentally or on purpose doesn't really matter. Efforts to find a vaccine for any coronavirus version have been a failure for over 50 years. The typical coronavirus is the cause of the common cold. We must remember that Virus' in general are an integral part of our human make-up. They are actually necessary to our survival. All this push to make a vaccine for every virus will end up doing more harm than good.

This particular virus attaches to our Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE-2) receptors. The majority of these receptors are in the lungs, blood vessels and kidneys. Those individuals living in areas of high air pollution, like China (especially Wuhan) and Northern Italy (the worst air pollution in all of Europe) and those who smoke are more at risk, because they have an increased level of ACE-2 receptors in their lungs, as a result of the air pollution reducing the ACE-2 level itself. This is why the young are not as affected by this version of the coronavirus, because they haven't lived long enough to have developed the changes in their Renin-Angiotensin system and do not demonstrate an increase in ACE-2 receptors. Ibuprofen apparently interferes negatively with the Renin-Angiotensin system, which is why it has been said to be contraindicated for COVID-19 patients. Estradiol has a positive effect on ACE-2 activity resulting in more severe hypertension in men, thus the mortality for men with COVID-19 is 2 to 1 female. The genetic basis of ACE-2 expression and function, found on the X chromosome, in different populations is still largely unknown; but recent data indicate that homozygous mutation rates, on the ACE-2 related genes, of males (0.550) was much higher than females (0.310) in the Chinese population. Optimal Vitamin D3 levels (60-80) have been shown to have a very positive effect on the renin-angiotensin system lowering blood pressure, as well as supporting the immune system through improved T cell regulation.

We know that the average age of death seen in those who have died WITH a COVID-19 positive test is 79.5 years of age. We know these people are all suffering from advanced cardiovascular disease, Hypertension and diabetes. What these people all have in common is concomitant illnesses, they are old and very sick to begin with. Many of them were going to die from pneumonia anyway, as it was just a matter of time. When you take an individual in this poor condition and then place them on antiviral drugs with all the dangerous side affects associated with them, perhaps the cure becomes worse than the disease. When you look at the rather "low" global death rate attributed to COVID-19 and consider the entire global population, it's shocking to many that the whole world is on lock-down, just for this. More people are dying from the regular flu. The most important statistic to look at however, is how many "more" deaths are occurring, then would be expected anyway, during any given period of time. Even though this has been considered "flu season", actually "fewer" people than normal have been dying from ALL causes, even before the quarantine measures were taken. This is an important statistic.

You may have noticed that I repeatedly stated that these patients have died WITH coronavirus rather than saying from coronavirus. We have NOT been doing the tests necessary to determine the actual cause of death in these people. This is a fact about this disease. We honestly don't know if it is the real, only cause of the deaths we are seeing posted.

This "pandemic" has taught us some very important lessons:
We are not prepared medically to handle a situation like this.
It turns out our Economy is quite fragile.
Apparently children can be taught at home through computers. Who knew?
Toilet paper, water and bread are very desirable.
Fear is a powerful motivator/controller of people.
The air quality of China and Italy has improved greatly since the shut down of manufacturing.
China found a way to get their protesting people off the streets.
The people protesting mandatory vaccination in Northern Italy are off the streets.
Money is being dumped into the Vaccine Industry by the Billions.
We need to make sure that not all of our medications continue to be made only in China.
When you only test the very sick and dying your statistics make it look very deadly.
Apparently we can be diagnosed from home via FaceTime quite successfully.
Gas prices come down when people are staying home.

I am far more worried about how quickly and easily our "rights and freedom" have been taken away from us "For the Greater Good". I fear this whole thing has been a big distraction and/or experiment to determine how easily we can be controlled. I fear this is just the beginning. I hope we will still be allowed to keep our Tortoises.
 

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When all is said and done the mortality rate for this particular version of the Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) will probably be less than 1%. We must remember that the statistics are all over the board right now because the PCR testing is unreliable, at best. It is a very sensitive test prone to false positives. The reason South Korea has the lowest apparent mortality rate is because they tested EVERYONE. We have only just begun to test people and so far we are only testing the very sick and dying. China quit testing their people with the PCR test because of the unreliability of the test and chose to rely on x-ray and ct scans of the lungs and labeled anyone with signs of pneumonia as COVID-19 positive. Our regular flu statistics are also unreliable as the CDC includes pneumonia cases in the flu statistics. People who die WITH this version of the coronavirus die from pneumonia. China found that treating their patients with IV Vitamin C helped the most.

Coronavirus has been around for well over 100 years and there are many different versions of coronavirus. This version is the newest. Whether it naturally occurred, was created accidentally or on purpose doesn't really matter. Efforts to find a vaccine for any coronavirus version have been a failure for over 50 years. The typical coronavirus is the cause of the common cold. We must remember that Virus' in general are an integral part of our human make-up. They are actually necessary to our survival. All this push to make a vaccine for every virus will end up doing more harm than good.

This particular virus attaches to our Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE-2) receptors. The majority of these receptors are in the lungs, blood vessels and kidneys. Those individuals living in areas of high air pollution, like China (especially Wuhan) and Northern Italy (the worst air pollution in all of Europe) and those who smoke are more at risk, because they have an increased level of ACE-2 receptors in their lungs, as a result of the air pollution reducing the ACE-2 level itself. This is why the young are not as affected by this version of the coronavirus, because they haven't lived long enough to have developed the changes in their Renin-Angiotensin system and do not demonstrate an increase in ACE-2 receptors. Ibuprofen apparently interferes negatively with the Renin-Angiotensin system, which is why it has been said to be contraindicated for COVID-19 patients. Estradiol has a positive effect on ACE-2 activity resulting in more severe hypertension in men, thus the mortality for men with COVID-19 is 2 to 1 female. The genetic basis of ACE-2 expression and function, found on the X chromosome, in different populations is still largely unknown; but recent data indicate that homozygous mutation rates, on the ACE-2 related genes, of males (0.550) was much higher than females (0.310) in the Chinese population. Optimal Vitamin D3 levels (60-80) have been shown to have a very positive effect on the renin-angiotensin system lowering blood pressure, as well as supporting the immune system through improved T cell regulation.

We know that the average age of death seen in those who have died WITH a COVID-19 positive test is 79.5 years of age. We know these people are all suffering from advanced cardiovascular disease, Hypertension and diabetes. What these people all have in common is concomitant illnesses, they are old and very sick to begin with. Many of them were going to die from pneumonia anyway, as it was just a matter of time. When you take an individual in this poor condition and then place them on antiviral drugs with all the dangerous side affects associated with them, perhaps the cure becomes worse than the disease. When you look at the rather "low" global death rate attributed to COVID-19 and consider the entire global population, it's shocking to many that the whole world is on lock-down, just for this. More people are dying from the regular flu. The most important statistic to look at however, is how many "more" deaths are occurring, then would be expected anyway, during any given period of time. Even though this has been considered "flu season", actually "fewer" people than normal have been dying from ALL causes, even before the quarantine measures were taken. This is an important statistic.

You may have noticed that I repeatedly stated that these patients have died WITH coronavirus rather than saying from coronavirus. We have NOT been doing the tests necessary to determine the actual cause of death in these people. This is a fact about this disease. We honestly don't know if it is the real, only cause of the deaths we are seeing posted.

This "pandemic" has taught us some very important lessons:
We are not prepared medically to handle a situation like this.
It turns out our Economy is quite fragile.
Apparently children can be taught at home through computers. Who knew?
Toilet paper, water and bread are very desirable.
Fear is a powerful motivator/controller of people.
The air quality of China and Italy has improved greatly since the shut down of manufacturing.
China found a way to get their protesting people off the streets.
The people protesting mandatory vaccination in Northern Italy are off the streets.
Money is being dumped into the Vaccine Industry by the Billions.
We need to make sure that not all of our medications continue to be made only in China.
When you only test the very sick and dying your statistics make it look very deadly.
Apparently we can be diagnosed from home via FaceTime quite successfully.
Gas prices come down when people are staying home.

I am far more worried about how quickly and easily our "rights and freedom" have been taken away from us "For the Greater Good". I fear this whole thing has been a big distraction and/or experiment to determine how easily we can be controlled. I fear this is just the beginning. I hope we will still be allowed to keep our Tortoises.
You just put into words what I have been feeling and simmering on for weeks, and you did it with unparalleled eloquence and candor. Thank you. I'm sharing this with fiends and family.
 

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When all is said and done the mortality rate for this particular version of the Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) will probably be less than 1%. We must remember that the statistics are all over the board right now because the PCR testing is unreliable, at best. It is a very sensitive test prone to false positives. The reason South Korea has the lowest apparent mortality rate is because they tested EVERYONE. We have only just begun to test people and so far we are only testing the very sick and dying. China quit testing their people with the PCR test because of the unreliability of the test and chose to rely on x-ray and ct scans of the lungs and labeled anyone with signs of pneumonia as COVID-19 positive. Our regular flu statistics are also unreliable as the CDC includes pneumonia cases in the flu statistics. People who die WITH this version of the coronavirus die from pneumonia. China found that treating their patients with IV Vitamin C helped the most.

Coronavirus has been around for well over 100 years and there are many different versions of coronavirus. This version is the newest. Whether it naturally occurred, was created accidentally or on purpose doesn't really matter. Efforts to find a vaccine for any coronavirus version have been a failure for over 50 years. The typical coronavirus is the cause of the common cold. We must remember that Virus' in general are an integral part of our human make-up. They are actually necessary to our survival. All this push to make a vaccine for every virus will end up doing more harm than good.

This particular virus attaches to our Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE-2) receptors. The majority of these receptors are in the lungs, blood vessels and kidneys. Those individuals living in areas of high air pollution, like China (especially Wuhan) and Northern Italy (the worst air pollution in all of Europe) and those who smoke are more at risk, because they have an increased level of ACE-2 receptors in their lungs, as a result of the air pollution reducing the ACE-2 level itself. This is why the young are not as affected by this version of the coronavirus, because they haven't lived long enough to have developed the changes in their Renin-Angiotensin system and do not demonstrate an increase in ACE-2 receptors. Ibuprofen apparently interferes negatively with the Renin-Angiotensin system, which is why it has been said to be contraindicated for COVID-19 patients. Estradiol has a positive effect on ACE-2 activity resulting in more severe hypertension in men, thus the mortality for men with COVID-19 is 2 to 1 female. The genetic basis of ACE-2 expression and function, found on the X chromosome, in different populations is still largely unknown; but recent data indicate that homozygous mutation rates, on the ACE-2 related genes, of males (0.550) was much higher than females (0.310) in the Chinese population. Optimal Vitamin D3 levels (60-80) have been shown to have a very positive effect on the renin-angiotensin system lowering blood pressure, as well as supporting the immune system through improved T cell regulation.

We know that the average age of death seen in those who have died WITH a COVID-19 positive test is 79.5 years of age. We know these people are all suffering from advanced cardiovascular disease, Hypertension and diabetes. What these people all have in common is concomitant illnesses, they are old and very sick to begin with. Many of them were going to die from pneumonia anyway, as it was just a matter of time. When you take an individual in this poor condition and then place them on antiviral drugs with all the dangerous side affects associated with them, perhaps the cure becomes worse than the disease. When you look at the rather "low" global death rate attributed to COVID-19 and consider the entire global population, it's shocking to many that the whole world is on lock-down, just for this. More people are dying from the regular flu. The most important statistic to look at however, is how many "more" deaths are occurring, then would be expected anyway, during any given period of time. Even though this has been considered "flu season", actually "fewer" people than normal have been dying from ALL causes, even before the quarantine measures were taken. This is an important statistic.

You may have noticed that I repeatedly stated that these patients have died WITH coronavirus rather than saying from coronavirus. We have NOT been doing the tests necessary to determine the actual cause of death in these people. This is a fact about this disease. We honestly don't know if it is the real, only cause of the deaths we are seeing posted.

This "pandemic" has taught us some very important lessons:
We are not prepared medically to handle a situation like this.
It turns out our Economy is quite fragile.
Apparently children can be taught at home through computers. Who knew?
Toilet paper, water and bread are very desirable.
Fear is a powerful motivator/controller of people.
The air quality of China and Italy has improved greatly since the shut down of manufacturing.
China found a way to get their protesting people off the streets.
The people protesting mandatory vaccination in Northern Italy are off the streets.
Money is being dumped into the Vaccine Industry by the Billions.
We need to make sure that not all of our medications continue to be made only in China.
When you only test the very sick and dying your statistics make it look very deadly.
Apparently we can be diagnosed from home via FaceTime quite successfully.
Gas prices come down when people are staying home.

I am far more worried about how quickly and easily our "rights and freedom" have been taken away from us "For the Greater Good". I fear this whole thing has been a big distraction and/or experiment to determine how easily we can be controlled. I fear this is just the beginning. I hope we will still be allowed to keep our Tortoises.
Thank you for these true words. It is exacly how I feel too.
 

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