Adult Yellowfoots

Turtlepete · Jan 4, 2015

stojanovski92113 said:
What does NRBE mean? Yeah I also wonder why yellows are never seen anywhere!

Sorry. National Reptile Breeders Expo. It's in Daytona Beach Florida. Been going on for a very long time, and widely known as one of the biggest reptile show's in the US. Or maybe it is the biggest. Anyways, it's intended for ONLY captive-bred offspring from breeders, though a lot of imported WC stuff gets in there as well. Awesome show, people come from all over the states to attend. I saw Eric Goode from the TC there last year, haha.

juli11 · Jan 6, 2015

Maybe you don't see so much denticulatas here because they get bigger then cabonarias.. But here in Europe you see denticulatas too which are imported from South America. But for sure you see more cabonarias like in the US.

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

You lot are getting me going again. I know a lady who's selling 2 adult female yellowfoots. Want £500 for em both. mmmmm

juli11 · Jan 6, 2015

Anyfoot said:
You lot are getting me going again. I know a lady who's selling 2 adult female yellowfoots. Want £500 for em both. mmmmm

I don't know the prices in US but in Europe that would be a good price.
But than you need a male ;-)

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

here they are, 12 and 11" plastron length. Had em nearly 20yrs

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

Yes and about a month ago I saw a male go

They are very rare over here.

tortadise · Jan 6, 2015

They will become rare here too on day. Sooner than later South America will shut down export of them. They do t fare the best in captivity either. Lots of imports die too which is sad. They're also heavily consumed in every nation in South America they are found. Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, and Brazil have shut down export of WC animals. They only come out of Guyana now. The quotas have also been drastically reduced. About 10 years ago over 100,000 would go out annually now less than 10000 are shipped out. The turn of many chelonian species are sadly taking a plight. Yellowfoots are one that will silently disappear in front us for sure. They don't get the attention they deserve. I'd go for those anyfoot especially if they're hard to find already.

diamondbp · Jan 6, 2015

I've always been more intrigued by the yellow foots and may dive into them on day. The giant ones would be incredible to work with. I'm a sucker for big torts. Once I build on my new property (4acres

) I will have plenty of space for projects. Yellow foots are at the top of the list

tortadise · Jan 6, 2015

tortadise said:
They will become rare here too on day. Sooner than later South America will shut down export of them. They do t fare the best in captivity either. Lots of imports die too which is sad. They're also heavily consumed in every nation in South America they are found. Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, and Brazil have shut down export of WC animals. They only come out of Guyana now. The quotas have also been drastically reduced. About 10 years ago over 100,000 would go out annually now less than 10000 are shipped out. The turn of many chelonian species are sadly taking a plight. Yellowfoots are one that will silently disappear in front us for sure. They don't get the attention they deserve. I'd go for those anyfoot especially if they're hard to find already.

My numbers were way off.

Cites record for 2012 Suriname/Guyana are the only nations that allowed a quota for them.
Less than 1500 were allowed out in 2012.
http://www.cites.org/common/quotas/2012/ExportQuotas2012.pdf

HLogic · Jan 6, 2015

Part of the reason YF's are uncommon in the trade is they are not as 'pretty' as RF's. The more overbearing reason lately is that the export quotas have been drastically lowered (as noted by Kelly) - 2014 Export Quotas -- 887 (Guyana) + 692 (Suriname) - http://cites.org/sites/default/files/common/quotas/2014/ExportQuotas2014.pdf

Additional reasons for their scarcity are the more stringent environmental requirements, general fragility in comparison to RF's, shyness of WC specimens, parasite load/sensitivity and others. They are incredible animals and in time become as personable as RF's but they require more attentiveness to their well-being than do the more bulletproof RF's.

That being said, my largest is a LTC (~30 yrs) female of unknown origin - though likely Suriname/Guyana. She measures in at nearly 16" SCL whereas the rest of the bale average about 14".

...and for good measure (so to speak), a pic of some average YF's basking (and yes, RF's bask too!): http://www.hlogic.net/images/YFBasking.jpg

tortadise · Jan 6, 2015

HLogic said:
Part of the reason YF's are uncommon in the trade is they are not as 'pretty' as RF's. The more overbearing reason lately is that the export quotas have been drastically lowered (as noted by Kelly) - 2014 Export Quotas -- 887 (Guyana) + 692 (Suriname) - http://cites.org/sites/default/files/common/quotas/2014/ExportQuotas2014.pdf

Additional reasons for their scarcity are the more stringent environmental requirements, general fragility in comparison to RF's, shyness of WC specimens, parasite load/sensitivity and others. They are incredible animals and in time become as personable as RF's but they require more attentiveness to their well-being than do the more bulletproof RF's.

That being said, my largest is a LTC (~30 yrs) female of unknown origin - though likely Suriname/Guyana. She measures in at nearly 16" SCL whereas the rest of the bale average about 14".

...and for good measure (so to speak), a pic of some average YF's basking (and yes, RF's bask too!): http://www.hlogic.net/images/YFBasking.jpg

Yes indeed. So glad to hear from you on here again Art. How have you been? I completely agree with the fragility in this species. They can be finicky to say the least.

stojanovski92113 · Jan 6, 2015

HLogic said:
Part of the reason YF's are uncommon in the trade is they are not as 'pretty' as RF's. The more overbearing reason lately is that the export quotas have been drastically lowered (as noted by Kelly) - 2014 Export Quotas -- 887 (Guyana) + 692 (Suriname) - http://cites.org/sites/default/files/common/quotas/2014/ExportQuotas2014.pdf

Additional reasons for their scarcity are the more stringent environmental requirements, general fragility in comparison to RF's, shyness of WC specimens, parasite load/sensitivity and others. They are incredible animals and in time become as personable as RF's but they require more attentiveness to their well-being than do the more bulletproof RF's.

That being said, my largest is a LTC (~30 yrs) female of unknown origin - though likely Suriname/Guyana. She measures in at nearly 16" SCL whereas the rest of the bale average about 14".

...and for good measure (so to speak), a pic of some average YF's basking (and yes, RF's bask too!): http://www.hlogic.net/images/YFBasking.jpg

Thanks for the pic...they are gorgeous

stojanovski92113 · Jan 6, 2015

Soooo, where shall I get a yellowfoot if I'm going to get one??????

Yvonne G · Jan 6, 2015

As to what Art said about parasites: I adopted a pair of YF from TSA. They were so infested with parasites that I lost both of them. We tried to de-worm them using small dosages in order to not kill all the parasites at once, but it just didn't work, and the tortoises were dead within months of my receiving them. Besides the parasites, they didn't acclimate to captive life, even though they were set up outdoors.

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

So I have done some revision on yellow foots before.
I believe they are looked after the same as redfoots apart from egg incubation is slightly lower temp.
Also I read they are a bit more boisterous than reds.
Is this true, and as long as there environment was big enough can they live together.

HLogic · Jan 6, 2015

YF's require more humidity, are less tolerant of heat and shy from intense sunshine - they are closed forest inhabitants whereas RF's are more commonly open habitat creatures. I incubate RF's and YF's at the same temp with equal success. Adult YF's are more likely, in my experience, to do battle than RF's. They will chase each other with a vengeance and occasionally overturn the object of their ire. This behavior is not limited to either sex. Females can be equally as aggressive as males. I have 4.8 adults housed together in a 45' x 90' fenced outdoor enclosure with ample hiding available and two 3' x 12' x 3' refugia (hide boxes). Some prefer the refugia while others gravitate to the natural hides provided by logs or palmettos. Others, inexplicably, seem to park themselves in the corner of the enclosure or along the fence line where there is no lateral or overhead cover...

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

Thanks for that insight, very interesting. So what is the lowest temp they have to endure where you live. At what temp is considered too low.

Anyfoot · Jan 6, 2015

HLogic said:
YF's require more humidity, are less tolerant of heat and shy from intense sunshine - they are closed forest inhabitants whereas RF's are more commonly open habitat creatures. I incubate RF's and YF's at the same temp with equal success. Adult YF's are more likely, in my experience, to do battle than RF's. They will chase each other with a vengeance and occasionally overturn the object of their ire. This behavior is not limited to either sex. Females can be equally as aggressive as males. I have 4.8 adults housed together in a 45' x 90' fenced outdoor enclosure with ample hiding available and two 3' x 12' x 3' refugia (hide boxes). Some prefer the refugia while others gravitate to the natural hides provided by logs or palmettos. Others, inexplicably, seem to park themselves in the corner of the enclosure or along the fence line where there is no lateral or overhead cover...

Are the forests very dense in foliage cover creating a darker environment for yellow foots, If so how do they get there D3 needs.
Thanks
Craig

HLogic · Jan 6, 2015

I make sure they are moved to the refugia if it will drop below 40 F. Once that happens, the refugia are heated to 55 F. Short-term exposure to temps as low as 40 doesn't seem to bother them much. Extended periods below 55 tends to affect their fecundity.

As far as the forests go, yes, they are very dense tropical rain forests. They are exposed to background and reflected UVB even though it seems as if there is little sunlight penetrating the canopy not to mention there are always stream banks and gaps in the canopy that allow sunlight to reach the ground.

Turtlepete · Jan 6, 2015

Those export quota's are shocking, Kelly.There are actually some adult Suriname imports on Kingsnake at the moment, first adults I've seen offered in some time.

@HLogic, they are also more carnivorous/opportunistic then red's as well, correct?

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