Lucky, im the only one in my family or group of friends that has this as a hobby no1 wants to talk torty to me. Hense why im active here lol
Yeah, most of my friends suck too.
Lucky, im the only one in my family or group of friends that has this as a hobby no1 wants to talk torty to me. Hense why im active here lol
So do you promote mixing species? Talking of this joint roaming yard? Asking because some could misunderstand.
This forum is a highly valuable resource, and I always wish that I had more time to contribute to it. Unfortunately, I'm one of those guys who never has his phone with him, so I often just don't take pictures, which is a big part of this forum, and I really should contribute more in the way of that. Apologies everyone, but it's just not my first instinct to snap photos when I'm relaxing with the tortoises.Lucky, im the only one in my family or group of friends that has this as a hobby no1 wants to talk torty to me. Hense why im active here lol
MyLucky, im the only one in my family or group of friends that has this as a hobby no1 wants to talk torty to me. Hense why im active here lol
Just my 2cents. I so far keep Herman's, stars and one redfoot. The Herman's where adopted from my wife's sisters as they didn't have the time for them anymore and I could look after them better, they have been together for 11years, both female and never had a problem, the both ignore each other most of the time.
My possibly female stars I have had for 3ish years and there about 4yrs old, possible from the same batch, they have both been fine, never seen any signs, they tend to ignore each other and do what they like. my redfoot I have had for 2 1/2years and is about 3yrs old and I would never get He/she a friend as he eats whatever is in front of him. All that may change or may not who knows but I will cross that bridge when it happens. They all have space (which is important)to do what they want but all tend to be right next to each other most if the time. Most of the info I get for my Herman's is from friends a relative's that have kept these type of torts for 30+yrs.
Well guys, here's an update. I used to have what I believed was a male in my backyard and what I know is a male in my front yard. I posted pics of them both on here somewhere. Anyways, they both stayed separate, however they both tried digging to get the the others yard. There is concrete between the two yards so they could never actually reach each other, but could just see one through the fence a bit.
Put them together and all seemed fine a dandy to me. I caught the known male trying to mate with the other one. Perhaps the other is a female or perhaps it's a sign of dominance? I'm really not sure. Anyhow, both have been together now for several days, they both go under my shed to sleep and escape the daytime heat and both come out to eat. Sometimes when they are both out at the same time the known male will head bob a bit at the other one, but that's about it. No aggressive or harmful behavior.
So in my case, I will continue to monitor them and see how they do. So far everything is fine. They did have a good amount of time to smell and see each other through the fence before I actually let them contact each other.
The known males tail is a bit longer, the scoop on the lower front of his shell is just a bit longer and he has just a bit more of a concave to the underside of his shell. So who knows...
People also say that you can't ever have two male leopard geckos together. My son has had two males in the same terrarium for a year. Both are good eaters, never fight and sleep together. Always exceptions to the rules I would say.
Not to stray too far off topic, .....
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I've been keeping tortoises for more than 30 years too. I/we did a lot of things wrong during that time and not everyone has figured this out. Just because your two aren't openly trying to bite and kill each other doesn't mean its not a problem. Being "right next to each other all the time" is called crowding. Its one or both telling the other: "Hey jackass! This territory is occupied. Why don't you leave and go find your own place?" Only they can't leave, and the chronic stress of the situation takes a toll over time.Just my 2cents. I so far keep Herman's, stars and one redfoot. The Herman's where adopted from my wife's sisters as they didn't have the time for them anymore and I could look after them better, they have been together for 11years, both female and never had a problem, the both ignore each other most of the time.
My possibly female stars I have had for 3ish years and there about 4yrs old, possible from the same batch, they have both been fine, never seen any signs, they tend to ignore each other and do what they like. my redfoot I have had for 2 1/2years and is about 3yrs old and I would never get He/she a friend as he eats whatever is in front of him. All that may change or may not who knows but I will cross that bridge when it happens. They all have space (which is important)to do what they want but all tend to be right next to each other most if the time. Most of the info I get for my Herman's is from friends a relative's that have kept these type of torts for 30+yrs.
Put them together and all seemed fine a dandy to me.
You're not sure? I'm sure. I know exactly what is happening there, and that's why we all told you not to do it.I caught the known male trying to mate with the other one. Perhaps the other is a female or perhaps it's a sign of dominance? I'm really not sure.
Anyhow, both have been together now for several days, they both go under my shed to sleep and escape the daytime heat and both come out to eat. Sometimes when they are both out at the same time the known male will head bob a bit at the other one, but that's about it. No aggressive or harmful behavior.
So in my case, I will continue to monitor them and see how they do. So far everything is fine.
People also say that you can't ever have two male leopard geckos together. My son has had two males in the same terrarium for a year. Both are good eaters, never fight and sleep together. Always exceptions to the rules I would say.
Geez, You expect me to "do as I'm told?" You obviously have some type of a problem dude. It's easy for you to bash on others and claim that professionals are wrong. Take a chill pill guy. I doubt if you have an operation remotely close to Kenan's, yet you bash him too.Is it fun for you to come here, ask for advice, have experienced members spend a lot of their time typing out detailed thoughtful answers to your questions and then completely ignoring what you are unanimously told?
You're not sure? I'm sure. I know exactly what is happening there, and that's why we all told you not to do it.
Everything you just described is aggressive, harmful behavior. Mounting, head bobbing, and trying to crowd each other out of the same burrow is classic tortoise aggression and its bad.
Everything is NOT fine. They are at war, and you've failed to recognize the signs. It is obvious how they are doing. Allowing this to continue is literally animal cruelty. It goes against their nature and doing what you are doing has killed more tortoises than I can count. You need to separate them ASAP. You can't claim you didn't know better anymore after reading this thread and this post.
We aren't talking about leopard geckos. We are talking about tortoises. Totally different story. And your tortoises are proving the rule, not an exception to it.
This is where you are headed. After there is a missing eye, scales removed from the front legs, or a dead tortoise that cooked in the summer sun after the other one flipped it, you will wish you had listened to the people you asked for advice.
https://tortoiseforum.org/threads/bad-day-for-baby.114328/
Tom, the tortoises aren't at war, head bobbing is completely normal mating behavior from the male, nobody ever said they are crowding the same burrow, i said they both go under my shed to escape the heat. You obviously see everything in an extreme scenario. Get a life dude.Is it fun for you to come here, ask for advice, have experienced members spend a lot of their time typing out detailed thoughtful answers to your questions and then completely ignoring what you are unanimously told?
You're not sure? I'm sure. I know exactly what is happening there, and that's why we all told you not to do it.
Everything you just described is aggressive, harmful behavior. Mounting, head bobbing, and trying to crowd each other out of the same burrow is classic tortoise aggression and its bad.
Everything is NOT fine. They are at war, and you've failed to recognize the signs. It is obvious how they are doing. Allowing this to continue is literally animal cruelty. It goes against their nature and doing what you are doing has killed more tortoises than I can count. You need to separate them ASAP. You can't claim you didn't know better anymore after reading this thread and this post.
We aren't talking about leopard geckos. We are talking about tortoises. Totally different story. And your tortoises are proving the rule, not an exception to it.
This is where you are headed. After there is a missing eye, scales removed from the front legs, or a dead tortoise that cooked in the summer sun after the other one flipped it, you will wish you had listened to the people you asked for advice.
https://tortoiseforum.org/threads/bad-day-for-baby.114328/
I didn't notice anything mentioned by @Tom that wasn't true and this was all great advice. Learned the hard way. (Experience)Geez, You expect me to "do as I'm told?" You obviously have some type of a problem dude. It's easy for you to bash on others and claim that professionals are wrong. Take a chill pill guy. I doubt if you have an operation remotely close to Kenan's, yet you bash him too.
I like reading posts on the forums until you show up acting like the tortoise God and start talking down to people. Might work on somebody else, but not me. I have found a wealth of information, just not from you...
I didn't notice anything mentioned by @Tom that wasn't true and this was all great advice. Learned the hard way. (Experience)
Frank response shouldn't feel like it is rude.
We don't know you. The information shouldn't be seen as an attack on you. It's for the welfare of your animals.
What you do or choose not to do is up to you. But to continue on your current path would be nothing short of foolish.
Geez, You expect me to "do as I'm told?" You obviously have some type of a problem dude. It's easy for you to bash on others and claim that professionals are wrong. Take a chill pill guy. I doubt if you have an operation remotely close to Kenan's, yet you bash him too.
I like reading posts on the forums until you show up acting like the tortoise God and start talking down to people. Might work on somebody else, but not me. I have found a wealth of information, just not from you...
Yes, head bobbing is a normal mating behaviour, but it is also a sign of aggression, one tort to another, regardless of the sex. I'm sorry you took offense to what Tom said to you, but everything he said has value. Don't forget, we only know what you write. You see the actual tortoises in real life. We can only tell you our experience from what you said. Maybe we don't have the big picture, but Tom does have a lot of experience with tortoises, and he's sharing with you what he knows from first hand.Tom, the tortoises aren't at war, head bobbing is completely normal mating behavior from the male, nobody ever said they are crowding the same burrow, i said they both go under my shed to escape the heat. You obviously see everything in an extreme scenario. Get a life dude.