Loni
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Weird...the ls is a much more reasonable price.
Is Mazuri Tortoise diet really that good?
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daniellenc
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I could buy it for you and ship it cheaper! There is a European version similar under a name that eludes my brain now but someone will chime in. Wonder if that would be cheaper?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BOG8YU6/?tag=exoticpetnetw-20
That is the US price with free overnight shipping.
Well the ls and original are different from what I understand. I don't think there's 2 different ls versions though. A lot of people say there torts don't like the ls and prefer the original.
Loni
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Thank you daniellenc! Hopefully I will not have to take you up on your REALLY generous offer. I will query the local site. Maybe it is a mistake. Even with the currency differences, it is ridiculous.
Loni
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Thank you. I have time and will keep looking for a better source.
That's ridiculous. I would not buy it. It's not needed if you can provide a lot of the other things they need.
daniellenc
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They sell 25 lbs. for under $40 US dollars. @Yvonne G what is the Euro substitution? Starts with an N I think. @JoesMum may know too. Either way I’d be interesting to see the border cost if I self shipped. Maybe it is that high? I could always look into it. If it’s too high for you my guy will crush it happily.
Loni
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Must be a mistake on the site. I will ask them. Thank you!
I get a 12oz bag of ls for $9 I could also send it to you if you don't find it
Loni
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My baby won't be here for a couple of months so I have time to check with the site and the border. I don't like processed food for me either, but it is always good to have a back up for when fresh is not as readily available, I think.
Loni
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Thank you! Everyone is so kind! I will keep you all posted on what I find out.
The European version is called Nutrazu; in this case Nutrazu 50J3.
I found both Mazuri and Mazuri LS listed at Canadian Lab Diets: http://www.exoticpetfood.ca/. The website is a little awkward, at least for me. There is an email address you can use for specific queries.
I found both Mazuri and Mazuri LS listed at Canadian Lab Diets: http://www.exoticpetfood.ca/. The website is a little awkward, at least for me. There is an email address you can use for specific queries.
Loni
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Thank you!!!
https://www.mazuri.com/tortoise.aspx BUY DIRECT FROM MAZURI
Loni
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Thank you! I found them but they do not ship internationally. They have a "Where to buy" page but the "Canada" link shows no listings. Canada Lab Diets is a better price so I should be good.
~ We feed it soaked only as a supplement during our driest part of the year.
~ We have a few females that have no interest and simply will not eat it at all.
~ We never offer or feed it to our hatchlings under one year of age and/or 6".
Galapagos tortoises and perhaps other giant tortoises often do not ultimately do well when grown rapidly, especially in earlier years. There is a syndrome common to many Galaps raised in captivity, frequently in zoological institutions. In many cases, they have been fed a diet including readily digestible feeds such as Mazuri tortoise diet. They may not be in a situation where they get as much exercise or grass as I think is needed. As these tortoises get older they have been found to have significant liver disease, probably secondary cardiac disease, goiter, and generalized subcutaneous edema. They usually have difficulty walking. In at least one case this has been partially reversed with tough love including a grass diet, exercise, and access to a pond for prolong soaking.
On the islands with the reintroduction programs, it has been found the tortoises are more likely to survive in the wild when rasied on limited groceries and exercise with resultant slow growth over the first five years. By the time they are reintroduced they are a tough group of what we might consider relatively small tortoises for age five.
20 plus years ago we kept 12 young tortoises in protected wired enclosures. In these protected enclosures were elevated parrot cages. In addition to fruits and vegtables, the parrots were fed Kaytee avian pellets. Parrots spilled food to the tortoises below. Veteriary consultants at the time felt this was an ideal setup. There was plenty of humidy and foods. The tortoises grew rapidly on this bonanza of quality foods. Unfortuanately, a number also developed shell defects which have affected their growth and ambulation to present.
In short, it is prudentd not to grow Galapagos tortoises rapidly in the first few years. Foods are primarily grasses and oppertunity for exercise is provided. Supplements are limited although tortoises probably get more produce than ideal when grass is sparse.
In fairness, Maazuri is testing some experimental diet formulations in a effort to provide a bag product that tortoises will eat but is not so readily digestible nor associated with the hepatic failure, goiter, edema, etc. syndrome.
In short, like others, I feel giant tortoises should primariy have a grass/ green diet their first years and there should be no effort to obtain as rapid growth as possible. These comments may or may not be germane to other tortoise species.
~ That was a great response, i wish people would listen more. We find many are defiant and simply do what is simple and easiest.
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Mazuri is the tortoise version of cheap dog food. I recall talking to the Nutritionist at Mazuri when the LS came out and he was so happy the LS had Timothy grass in the formula. Timothy grass is bitter and free ranging hoofstock will tend to eat it last.
Mazuri is what I think of as stochiometric simpleton idea of 'complete' nutrition. It basically means that feeding the minimum required nutrients will grow a healthy tortoise. Essential amino acids, carbs, fiber etc. in X amount and Bammo, we have a complete diet. It just isn't so.
Here is at least one general principle to consider. Consuming the smallest elemental particles that a body needs to live and grow is less good than those same elements and many macro-molecules as well. Consider the form of amino acids present in pollen when a tortoise eats a flower. Consider the many forms of different vitamins known, versus other nutrients a body can use that are not well known or known at all. pre-cultivation plants have a rich soup of macroeconomics designed to draw animals to eat them so the animal can act as a seed spreader.
Oxalic acid is another example, in low amount in the gut and blood stream actually facilitate some body functions. How many of you pick out the ten spinach leaves in a one pound bag of spring mix and think you did your tortoise a solid by managing their oxalic acid intake? No animal that I have found actually makes it's own oxalic acid. It's not in Mazuri, yet it is used by the body.
Mazuri has many required nutrients, but it is not the only way to get them, and it can make tortoises myopic about what is for dinner.
Mazuri is what I think of as stochiometric simpleton idea of 'complete' nutrition. It basically means that feeding the minimum required nutrients will grow a healthy tortoise. Essential amino acids, carbs, fiber etc. in X amount and Bammo, we have a complete diet. It just isn't so.
Here is at least one general principle to consider. Consuming the smallest elemental particles that a body needs to live and grow is less good than those same elements and many macro-molecules as well. Consider the form of amino acids present in pollen when a tortoise eats a flower. Consider the many forms of different vitamins known, versus other nutrients a body can use that are not well known or known at all. pre-cultivation plants have a rich soup of macroeconomics designed to draw animals to eat them so the animal can act as a seed spreader.
Oxalic acid is another example, in low amount in the gut and blood stream actually facilitate some body functions. How many of you pick out the ten spinach leaves in a one pound bag of spring mix and think you did your tortoise a solid by managing their oxalic acid intake? No animal that I have found actually makes it's own oxalic acid. It's not in Mazuri, yet it is used by the body.
Mazuri has many required nutrients, but it is not the only way to get them, and it can make tortoises myopic about what is for dinner.
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