Total body edema

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My eastern mud turtle has quite unexpectedly developed what appears to be total body edema. She is at the exotic vet for the coming week or so, while they try to figure out what's wrong.

PREQUEL: Jacques, a 4-year old mud turtle, had a near-drowning experience 14 months ago. She was resuscitated, but gradually developed aspiration pneumonia which required several hospitalizations and several different antibiotics. In the past 8 months or so, she has had 2 bouts of unidentified illness, apparently infections of unidentified location. Each time, she quit eating and totally withdrew into her cave. Each time, she was found to have an elevated white blood cell count and was treated with antibiotics. Each time her blood count normalized.

CURRENT TIMELINE: On Saturday (2/16/19) I found her in the open area of her tank near where I feed her in the classic "dead animal position": ON HER BACK, all 4 legs sticking up and out, her neck fully extended, which tilted her slightly back. I really thought she was dead. But when i picked her up, she moved very feebly and looked at me. Her whole body was terribly swollen and bulging out from her shell. She looked like the Michelin man of turtles. We rushed her to the exotic vet, which was a 45 min drive- and she hardly moved. She was so swollen that several attempts by the experienced reptile vet to draw blood were unsuccessful.
Since they were not able to get blood from her just then, of course there was little they could tell me.
His best guess is renal failure or liver failure, but at this point anything goes.
I don't expect to hear much for a few days since they may have to send whatever fluid samples they CAN get off to a specialty lab.

THE PREVIOUS WEEKS: She had only been eating so-so for the past month, but that was eating one or 2 good mouthfuls of food about once or twice a week. I figured this was OK for the winter time. Although she was in her cave during the day, she was out at night, regularly rearranging the plants and things in her tank, as per usual. She was not trying to bask, and not hanging out over her heater or floating lop-sided.
I was totally shocked to find her this way.

I will keep this post updated as things develop and new information comes in.
 

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Oh my. Poor Jacques. My first thought about the edema was she had absorbed water from being on her back. Did they try to get the water out of her lungs? You can support the head then swing the turtle down briskly (like you're tossing down a flag at the start of a race). You can do this several times and it helps to expel the water from the lungs.
 

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Oh my. Poor Jacques. My first thought about the edema was she had absorbed water from being on her back. Did they try to get the water out of her lungs? You can support the head then swing the turtle down briskly (like you're tossing down a flag at the start of a race). You can do this several times and it helps to expel the water from the lungs.



That’s what I did back when I found her after the drowning incident, but she didn’t seem to need it this time. She had had no problem breathing.
When I picked her up out of the tank, she held up her head and has not been gaping or struggling to breathe.
I could see no reason at all for her to be on her back: the water in her tank is about 5 inches deep (which she can handle with ease). There was nothing at all obstructing her or preventing her from righting herself.
 

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I got a call from the vet's office. Jacques is unchanged, but at least the doc was finally able to get some blood. Some tests they'll do in their clinic, other tests they will send to the vet school.
Not sure how long it will be before we start getting some information from the tests. It may take a couple of days.
 

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Oh Bea I didn't realise he was that ill, poor Jacques and poor you!
It must be very upsetting for you to see him like that.
I really hope the vet can find the problem and bring him back to good health as soon as possible.
I am thinking of you both and wishing Jacques a speedy recovery.:<3:
 

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sorry to read this …..... that is a serious symptom …. hope Jacques can get through , he's lucky to have you , wishing for the best of luck to you all ………
 

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Oh Bea I didn't realise he was that ill, poor Jacques and poor you!
It must be very upsetting for you to see him like that.
I really hope the vet can find the problem and bring him back to good health as soon as possible.
I am thinking of you both and wishing Jacques a speedy recovery.:<3:

Thanks so much, Lyn! [emoji173]️
 

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sorry to read this …..... that is a serious symptom …. hope Jacques can get through , he's lucky to have you , wishing for the best of luck to you all ………

Thank you, mark1. [emoji173]️
 

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