Kang and Rue

EllieMay · Apr 8, 2019

CarolM said:
Hi Everybody,

It is with great sadness, that I write this. Kang did not make it. I went back home at lunch time and he was completely still and would not move. I will not be on here a for a few days and as I need to grieve for him. I have no idea why he has died. I am sorry I just cannot do this for a while. I will see you when I feel that I can be okay and think rationally again. But his death has hit me extremely hard. Until later.

PRAYERS AND HUGS! So sorry Carol..

Maro2Bear · Apr 8, 2019

CarolM said:
Hi Everybody,

It is with great sadness, that I write this. Kang did not make it. I went back home at lunch time and he was completely still and would not move. I will not be on here a for a few days and as I need to grieve for him. I have no idea why he has died. I am sorry I just cannot do this for a while. I will see you when I feel that I can be okay and think rationally again. But his death has hit me extremely hard. Until later.

Ogh no! Oh my gosh, you know we are all thinking about and here for you. :-(

JoesMum · Apr 8, 2019

I have no words that are adequate Carol [emoji22] A huge electronic hug from me. Take care x

Sterant · Apr 8, 2019

So sorry Carol. Talk when you return. Dan

Ben02 · Apr 8, 2019

I’m so sorry.

Yvonne G · Apr 8, 2019

Aw darn it, Carol. That's just so sad.

There are several reasons for the penis prolapse, but they don't usually take the tortoise this quickly. . . a large parasite load, a bladder stone, constipation. . . but I'm afraid the only way to know for sure is to have a necropsy done.

I wish there were some words of wisdom we could have shared with you.

Lyn W · Apr 8, 2019

I didn't know this was still a problem for Kang, Carol I am so sorry this has happened.
Take care x

Cheryl Hills · Apr 8, 2019

CarolM said:
Hi Everybody,

It is with great sadness, that I write this. Kang did not make it. I went back home at lunch time and he was completely still and would not move. I will not be on here a for a few days and as I need to grieve for him. I have no idea why he has died. I am sorry I just cannot do this for a while. I will see you when I feel that I can be okay and think rationally again. But his death has hit me extremely hard. Until later.

So sorry, we will be here for you. Many prayers

SweetGreekTorts · Apr 8, 2019

Very sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you [emoji173]

Gleave J · Apr 8, 2019

I’m sorry for your loss, I do hope that the little fella is in a unconscious state and not passed away, I’d advise consulting a vet to determine his state, and if required an autopsy to determine the cause, this might prevent something from happening to the others, it is definitely worth doing.

CarolM · Apr 8, 2019

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I buried Kang last night.
When I was home at lunch time I moved Kang from the top level to the bottom level and left him there until I got home that afternoon. He was still not moving and looked exactly the same as when I put him there. He was dead.
The problem is that I had left him on the top level where it is warmer at night with the thought of keeping him warmer during the day in his sick state and it had obviously gotten too hot during the day and he over heated as a consequence. He was more than likely blocked which made him ill in the first place. I did not separate him when soaking. On the occassions that I was soaking him on his own there was no poop. But when I soaked him with the others there was always poop in the water, so I did not worry. I should have paid more attention. I made the worst decision when I decided to leave Kang on the top level yesterday morning. And the consequence was that I lost him. And it was my fault. I have now lost a lot of confidence on how I look after my babies, but that is something that I have to work through combined with the guilt of what I did. Nothing will make it right or bring him back. And it is something that I am going to have to live with.

KarenSoCal · Apr 8, 2019

CarolM said:
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I buried Kang last night.
When I was home at lunch time I moved Kang from the top level to the bottom level and left him there until I got home that afternoon. He was still not moving and looked exactly the same as when I put him there. He was dead.
The problem is that I had left him on the top level where it is warmer at night with the thought of keeping him warmer during the day in his sick state and it had obviously gotten too hot during the day and he over heated as a consequence. He was more than likely blocked which made him ill in the first place. I did not separate him when soaking. On the occassions that I was soaking him on his own there was no poop. But when I soaked him with the others there was always poop in the water, so I did not worry. I should have paid more attention. I made the worst decision when I decided to leave Kang on the top level yesterday morning. And the consequence was that I lost him. And it was my fault. I have now lost a lot of confidence on how I look after my babies, but that is something that I have to work through combined with the guilt of what I did. Nothing will make it right or bring him back. And it is something that I am going to have to live with.

Oh, Carol! I'm so, so sorry! [emoji26]

JoesMum · Apr 9, 2019

CarolM said:
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I buried Kang last night.
When I was home at lunch time I moved Kang from the top level to the bottom level and left him there until I got home that afternoon. He was still not moving and looked exactly the same as when I put him there. He was dead.
The problem is that I had left him on the top level where it is warmer at night with the thought of keeping him warmer during the day in his sick state and it had obviously gotten too hot during the day and he over heated as a consequence. He was more than likely blocked which made him ill in the first place. I did not separate him when soaking. On the occassions that I was soaking him on his own there was no poop. But when I soaked him with the others there was always poop in the water, so I did not worry. I should have paid more attention. I made the worst decision when I decided to leave Kang on the top level yesterday morning. And the consequence was that I lost him. And it was my fault. I have now lost a lot of confidence on how I look after my babies, but that is something that I have to work through combined with the guilt of what I did. Nothing will make it right or bring him back. And it is something that I am going to have to live with.

Carol, please, please, please do not blame yourself.

I know I did after Joe died, but sometimes these things happen and a swift death is less suffering for Kang.

These torts get under your skin. They are every bit as much part of the family as one of your human kids and, like me, you had no reason to believe that Kang wouldn’t outlive you.

It will take time for you to come to terms with this loss. And in the meantime we are all here for you and offer hugs and support [emoji177]

JoesMum · Apr 9, 2019

The Rainbow Bridge x

CarolM · Apr 9, 2019

JoesMum said:
Carol, please, please, please do not blame yourself.

I know I did after Joe died, but sometimes these things happen and a swift death is less suffering for Kang.

These torts get under your skin. They are every bit as much part of the family as one of your human kids and, like me, you had no reason to believe that Kang wouldn’t outlive you.

It will take time for you to come to terms with this loss. And in the meantime we are all here for you and offer hugs and support [emoji177]

Thank you Linda. I appreciate it very much.

ColaCarbonaria · Apr 9, 2019

Don’t blame yourself. I’m sorry for your loss.

Yvonne G · Apr 9, 2019

CarolM said:
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I buried Kang last night.
When I was home at lunch time I moved Kang from the top level to the bottom level and left him there until I got home that afternoon. He was still not moving and looked exactly the same as when I put him there. He was dead.
The problem is that I had left him on the top level where it is warmer at night with the thought of keeping him warmer during the day in his sick state and it had obviously gotten too hot during the day and he over heated as a consequence. He was more than likely blocked which made him ill in the first place. I did not separate him when soaking. On the occassions that I was soaking him on his own there was no poop. But when I soaked him with the others there was always poop in the water, so I did not worry. I should have paid more attention. I made the worst decision when I decided to leave Kang on the top level yesterday morning. And the consequence was that I lost him. And it was my fault. I have now lost a lot of confidence on how I look after my babies, but that is something that I have to work through combined with the guilt of what I did. Nothing will make it right or bring him back. And it is something that I am going to have to live with.

I'm not saying what you did was wrong (because I don't think it was), but we all learn from experience. It's hard to lose them, but it makes us better keepers in the long run. You are not alone. We've all done something we wish we could go back and not do. I found a cute little brand new baby box turtle the other day and he was as light as air. So I figured I'd help him hydrate by keeping him in a shallow bowl of water overnight. The bowl was set inside an enclosure that was 80F degrees. In the morning he was dead and his face was in the water. Even though it was shallow, I'm thinking he eventually rested his head on the bottom of the bowl and drowned. It's too bad he had to lose his life for me to learn to not do that again. You learn and you move on.

Sterant · Apr 9, 2019

What @Yvonne G said! Also please consider @CarolM that though these things are found naturally in your back yard, this is an exceptionally difficult species to keep in captivity. Very few have done it. It would be a stretch to assume that just because you live in-range, that you wouldn't experience some of the same issues keeping them inside that many others have experienced in other parts of the world.

Don't be discouraged. Keep on keeping on!

Lyn W · Apr 9, 2019

CarolM said:
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I buried Kang last night.
When I was home at lunch time I moved Kang from the top level to the bottom level and left him there until I got home that afternoon. He was still not moving and looked exactly the same as when I put him there. He was dead.
The problem is that I had left him on the top level where it is warmer at night with the thought of keeping him warmer during the day in his sick state and it had obviously gotten too hot during the day and he over heated as a consequence. He was more than likely blocked which made him ill in the first place. I did not separate him when soaking. On the occassions that I was soaking him on his own there was no poop. But when I soaked him with the others there was always poop in the water, so I did not worry. I should have paid more attention. I made the worst decision when I decided to leave Kang on the top level yesterday morning. And the consequence was that I lost him. And it was my fault. I have now lost a lot of confidence on how I look after my babies, but that is something that I have to work through combined with the guilt of what I did. Nothing will make it right or bring him back. And it is something that I am going to have to live with.

Carol, you did what you thought was best for Kang. He was loved and had a good life with you.
You are doing a great job with your torts and this will make you an even better tort mum.
Love and hugs to you. :<3:

Kristoff · Apr 9, 2019

CarolM said:
Hi Everybody,

It is with great sadness, that I write this. Kang did not make it. I went back home at lunch time and he was completely still and would not move. I will not be on here a for a few days and as I need to grieve for him. I have no idea why he has died. I am sorry I just cannot do this for a while. I will see you when I feel that I can be okay and think rationally again. But his death has hit me extremely hard. Until later.

Oh dear. So very sorry to hear this. Thinking of you. [emoji173]️[emoji173]️[emoji173]️[emoji173]️

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