Stoneman
Active Member
I live in a state without anyone currently producing babies. A major radiata vendor informed me that someone in my state has some juvenile high yellows he doesn't want to take care of. Three endoscoped females and one male. All are about five or six years old. He basically wants to keep them because he wants to make a lot of money once they start producing.
I don't have enough to offer a fair amount up front. I could give him about half of what they are worth, and pay him the rest over time. But I doubt he will want to do that.
My biggest concern with a breeding loan is that I will care for the tortoises for five years, and after one clutch he sees the dollar signs and wants them back, having found a new way to care for them, and me being stuck with nothing. Or, what if he is currently sincere about it, but seven years down the line, he has grown impatient about them not having produced, and disagrees with one small aspect of my practice and psychologically he balloons that in his mind, then executes his ownership rights and recalls them, leaving me and all my hard work with nothing? What if the first clutch has not hatched? Same issue as before, the silent investor suddenly becomes overly critical and wants them returned.
I would rather offer him a percentage of the offspring, if they produce before I can pay out on our agreed upon terms. Hell, after five years I could agree to give him 100% of clutch profits if I hadn't paid him off by then.
Maybe a breeding loan but I don't think it would be worth my time unless I got 50% of at least 10 clutches. That way I would not get robbed of my time investment.
Does anyone have any ideas of a successful way that I could secure my investment of time, housing, food, and any vet bills, while also securing his trust and his financial security? I could have all his torts tested for the bad diseases, for a high price. But, they were all CB and have not had a ton of exposure so I am not very concerned about them.
Oh, and here is another complication to the story. I have been looking for this species in my state for years. I spoke with him for the first time today. I am moving out of state in two weeks. I don't have a permit and he failed to renew his. I do know someone in the other state who has a permit and also babies I can buy. So, it is not my only option. But, it is definitely something with potential.
How can I provide trust that I will not just take his torts and run? Tracking device? I know microchipping is something we could tag onto the bill. Are there forms we could fill out, beyond just general binding contract law to ensure either he or I fulfills our terms of the bargain?
Has anyone ever actually had an experience of a breeding loan both parties were happy about? If so please share. Any advice or history of experience would be greatly appreciated. Sorry about the novel, I hope it was easy to follow and that I avoided bad writing, but written from my phone at 5:00 AM on a sleepless night.
I don't have enough to offer a fair amount up front. I could give him about half of what they are worth, and pay him the rest over time. But I doubt he will want to do that.
My biggest concern with a breeding loan is that I will care for the tortoises for five years, and after one clutch he sees the dollar signs and wants them back, having found a new way to care for them, and me being stuck with nothing. Or, what if he is currently sincere about it, but seven years down the line, he has grown impatient about them not having produced, and disagrees with one small aspect of my practice and psychologically he balloons that in his mind, then executes his ownership rights and recalls them, leaving me and all my hard work with nothing? What if the first clutch has not hatched? Same issue as before, the silent investor suddenly becomes overly critical and wants them returned.
I would rather offer him a percentage of the offspring, if they produce before I can pay out on our agreed upon terms. Hell, after five years I could agree to give him 100% of clutch profits if I hadn't paid him off by then.
Maybe a breeding loan but I don't think it would be worth my time unless I got 50% of at least 10 clutches. That way I would not get robbed of my time investment.
Does anyone have any ideas of a successful way that I could secure my investment of time, housing, food, and any vet bills, while also securing his trust and his financial security? I could have all his torts tested for the bad diseases, for a high price. But, they were all CB and have not had a ton of exposure so I am not very concerned about them.
Oh, and here is another complication to the story. I have been looking for this species in my state for years. I spoke with him for the first time today. I am moving out of state in two weeks. I don't have a permit and he failed to renew his. I do know someone in the other state who has a permit and also babies I can buy. So, it is not my only option. But, it is definitely something with potential.
How can I provide trust that I will not just take his torts and run? Tracking device? I know microchipping is something we could tag onto the bill. Are there forms we could fill out, beyond just general binding contract law to ensure either he or I fulfills our terms of the bargain?
Has anyone ever actually had an experience of a breeding loan both parties were happy about? If so please share. Any advice or history of experience would be greatly appreciated. Sorry about the novel, I hope it was easy to follow and that I avoided bad writing, but written from my phone at 5:00 AM on a sleepless night.