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I am glad that more people are realizing what they are all about. Pretty soon they will have to change their name and re-brand themselves because they've lost all credibility.
So very needed. Case in point Wounded Warrior in 2015 received $398 MIllion in donations and used $262 Million to run programs. $136 million for salaries and expenses like $36 million for TV ads. I work with numerous active and retired Veterans and not a one would have anything to do with them. I personally prefer Goodwill for hardgoods and clothing donation, beacuse they stay in your locale and go to their programs. Please research before give anything to a charity!!!!
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Tom is right. Peta has been considered an ecoterrorist group in recent years, but I do not know if they have that distinction any more. They may be trying to play it smarter because many people do not like terrorists. If you go to their website it's very friendly looking, but I do not buy it for one second. These groups like Peta, ALF, and HSUS dupe well meaning but uninformed people to support them, but in the end, they want to abolish all human-animal interaction. They also do really stupid things to what ecosystem remains like mass releasing mink into the wild. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/19/thousands-of-mink-dead-after-activists-release-380/. Recently, they became a small shareholder in Facebook. I hope that this is not another way for them to have greater access to those who are easily manipulated or have greater visibility for the horrific pictures and videos they like to share, or to influence social media. I am for animal welfare, not animal rights. We need to be vigilant against these organizations. They seem to get the sympathy of politicians and law makers.
I'll spare myself the energy needed to articulate my sentiments regarding PETA since @Tom has done such nice job for me. I would also like to echo the reality that this seems to overlap with so many other issues that our society is currently facing. The gullibility of so many and the willingness of so many individuals and organizations to manipulate others based upon the unquestioning, well-meaning people of our country doesn't seem to be helping the U.S. at the moment.
Brimstonefox
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Hi, PETA use inaccurate, deliberately misleading propaganda to encourage dangerous and damaging action against lawful activities. They have been behind some malicious and pointless attacks and they give genuine animal welfare organisations a bad name.
lilly_sand99
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Also, PETA doesn't really educate.
A lot of what happens in animal production is for the comfort and productivity of the animals. Unhappy, stressed, hot, cold, and/or uncomfortable animals will not produce milk, eggs or meat very efficient.
Pigs are kept in small spaces because they will bully each other. They need stimulation or they will eat another pigs tail/ears.
Chickens will eat each other if they are not "debeaked" which is just cutting the very very tip of the beak off.
So from the outside this looks awful and inhumane, but it is needed for the safety of other animals that are also in production. Farmers will be some of the biggest supporters of animals welfare.
I grew up working a cattle ranch. I was taught to respect all living creatures, even the ones I was going to eat. Yet, it is scary watching PETA commercials/advertisements because their POV gets turned to fact in the public eye, and they are not taught how production animals work.
A lot of what happens in animal production is for the comfort and productivity of the animals. Unhappy, stressed, hot, cold, and/or uncomfortable animals will not produce milk, eggs or meat very efficient.
Pigs are kept in small spaces because they will bully each other. They need stimulation or they will eat another pigs tail/ears.
Chickens will eat each other if they are not "debeaked" which is just cutting the very very tip of the beak off.
So from the outside this looks awful and inhumane, but it is needed for the safety of other animals that are also in production. Farmers will be some of the biggest supporters of animals welfare.
I grew up working a cattle ranch. I was taught to respect all living creatures, even the ones I was going to eat. Yet, it is scary watching PETA commercials/advertisements because their POV gets turned to fact in the public eye, and they are not taught how production animals work.
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So, what good have they done???? In your opinion of coarse.
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Extremists of every stripe start to sound unhinged. Best to stick to the old maxim, ‘ ‘Moderation in ALL things’
i agree on the moderation aspect …….. peta has won countless court cases involving animal cruelty , they didn't win them with edited videos , most were won with guilty pleas …i'd guess those were for the most part good things … fact is the animal industry has no shortage of animal cruelty in every venue ………… I actually have no opinion on peta , i'm sure lots of folks making good money off it ……... from what I've seen in my life , if they're making stuff up , they needn't , there is plenty of real animal cruelty going on …………. the animal laws that have affected me personally have been the result of the need to regulate the irresponsible , responsible folks paying the price for the irresponsible ……. is there a reputable group monitoring animal cruelty ?
Tortoise Rescue Brenda
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People Eating Tasty Animals.
I’m a farm girl. I love animals and take great care of all of them. Even the ones we eat. Tom had it right, Animal welfare is what we all want. People working for truly ethical treatment of animals do things like Temple Grandin, creating and serving on the board that regulates cattle handling facilities (slaughter houses). She eats meat but she sees no reason the animals need to be traumatized prior to their demise.
PETA gives animal lovers a black eye. They use unethical tactics to make even humane animal keepers and trainers look like evil doers. They should be so ashamed.
I’m a farm girl. I love animals and take great care of all of them. Even the ones we eat. Tom had it right, Animal welfare is what we all want. People working for truly ethical treatment of animals do things like Temple Grandin, creating and serving on the board that regulates cattle handling facilities (slaughter houses). She eats meat but she sees no reason the animals need to be traumatized prior to their demise.
PETA gives animal lovers a black eye. They use unethical tactics to make even humane animal keepers and trainers look like evil doers. They should be so ashamed.
I don’t think there is moderation in all things, you kill or you don’t, what’s in between? Torture? You kick a veal in the face for fun or you don’t. I don’t like the way peta acts and post all bunch of stupid nonsense but I do stand by their values to protect the ones who can’t defend themselves, and yes I do however think peta is an extremist group...
i'm reasonably sure mcdonalds hired dr Grandin to appease peta ? I also believe they changed their suppliers slaughter method ….…… something to do with dr Grandin's scoring methods …….
all the below is attributed to dr Grandin ………….
CONAN:I was curious about your thoughts on animal rights organizations like PETA and the Humane Society of America.
Dr. GRANDIN: Well, when they go find something really wrong, like some atrocious practices on a farm or in a slaughterhouse, just horrible management done, yeah, that needs to be uncovered and those people need to get in trouble for that, and that shouldn't be going on. And in the back of "Animals Make Us Human," I have an afterword, and it's titled: "Why am I Still in the Industry?"
One of the reasons why I'm still in the meat industry is when I first start out in cattle back in Arizona, there were a few ranchers that did an excellent job. And they were not killing cattle in a dip vat. They were doing things right. And I remember beautiful Singing Valley Ranch in Arizona, they did beautiful care of their animals.
And I could see that cattle, when they're done right, could have a good life. In fact, the cow that raises the calf is always been free range, and that's true whether that meat goes to Whole Foods or it goes to Tyson. You know, if I had started in the industry with egg-laying chickens, you know, my career might have taken a totally different track, because they've got a lot more problems.
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Blocked by industry indifference, she turned to the ASPCA pen, a device developed in the 1960s and 1970s that restrained cattle in a large box. She improved its effectiveness by designing a device that held the animal’s head in the optimal position for the shochet.
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Over the next three years, McDonald’s helped Grandin usher in a wave of reforms, solidifying animal welfare as a new standard on any plant wanting to sell to the restaurant giant. Grandin trained a team of auditors who traveled the U.S., measuring things like: how loud it was in the cattle pens (mooing as a measurement of stress); the percentage of animals killed in one shot; and how many times a worker uses an electric cattle prod. She saw more change in that time than in her three previous decades of work.
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In light of this new video(peta) exposing the gouging second cuts—and Agriprocessors’ quite different conduct during the tour—Dr. Grandin made a new assessment of Agriprocessors, stating, “The undercover video clearly showed that when they think nobody is looking, they do bad things in this plant.” Dr. Grandin asserted that the plant should install a live video monitor to be reviewed by a third party auditor to prevent further cruelty.
all the below is attributed to dr Grandin ………….
CONAN:I was curious about your thoughts on animal rights organizations like PETA and the Humane Society of America.
Dr. GRANDIN: Well, when they go find something really wrong, like some atrocious practices on a farm or in a slaughterhouse, just horrible management done, yeah, that needs to be uncovered and those people need to get in trouble for that, and that shouldn't be going on. And in the back of "Animals Make Us Human," I have an afterword, and it's titled: "Why am I Still in the Industry?"
One of the reasons why I'm still in the meat industry is when I first start out in cattle back in Arizona, there were a few ranchers that did an excellent job. And they were not killing cattle in a dip vat. They were doing things right. And I remember beautiful Singing Valley Ranch in Arizona, they did beautiful care of their animals.
And I could see that cattle, when they're done right, could have a good life. In fact, the cow that raises the calf is always been free range, and that's true whether that meat goes to Whole Foods or it goes to Tyson. You know, if I had started in the industry with egg-laying chickens, you know, my career might have taken a totally different track, because they've got a lot more problems.
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Blocked by industry indifference, she turned to the ASPCA pen, a device developed in the 1960s and 1970s that restrained cattle in a large box. She improved its effectiveness by designing a device that held the animal’s head in the optimal position for the shochet.
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Over the next three years, McDonald’s helped Grandin usher in a wave of reforms, solidifying animal welfare as a new standard on any plant wanting to sell to the restaurant giant. Grandin trained a team of auditors who traveled the U.S., measuring things like: how loud it was in the cattle pens (mooing as a measurement of stress); the percentage of animals killed in one shot; and how many times a worker uses an electric cattle prod. She saw more change in that time than in her three previous decades of work.
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In light of this new video(peta) exposing the gouging second cuts—and Agriprocessors’ quite different conduct during the tour—Dr. Grandin made a new assessment of Agriprocessors, stating, “The undercover video clearly showed that when they think nobody is looking, they do bad things in this plant.” Dr. Grandin asserted that the plant should install a live video monitor to be reviewed by a third party auditor to prevent further cruelty.
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It is tedious and tiresome to listen to the kowtowing to, and ranting of, some of the most prominent and opinionated members of the forum on this topic.
This discussion is far too politically charged and has breached the guidelines of the forum to be open, family friendly, and welcome to all, including the very young.
I am surprised and disheartened that the moderators have allowed this to proceed.
This discussion is far too politically charged and has breached the guidelines of the forum to be open, family friendly, and welcome to all, including the very young.
I am surprised and disheartened that the moderators have allowed this to proceed.
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Ben02
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It’s a very important subject that involves all of us who take care of animals, eat meat or not etc....
I’m still considered a child and I’ve already learned a lot from people on here and from my own research.
Your choice of words tells the story...
Exposing fraudulent liars who are trying to legislate the subject matter of this very forum out of existence is not in violation of forum guidelines, is not unfriendly to anyone except the fraudulent liars and their supporters, is appropriate for all ages, and welcome to all including the very young.
Are you aware that PETA goes to grade schools, without invitation, consent or permission, and hands out pamphlets to school children? These pamphlets depict parents who feed meat and fish to their children as maniacal murderers with a knife in hand and a blood covered apron standing over a horrified rabbit or fish. You cool with that? Or that is that just more opinionated ranting?
This is not a joke. They are standing outside grade schools and handing these "Comic Books" to six year olds:
Now tell me how great they are and why I shouldn't say anything bad about them...
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Michael231
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After reading some of the replies on this forum in more detail, browsing YouTube for old interviews/court cases, and reading different articles both from PETA itself, its adversaries (petakillsanimals.com, Consumer Freedom, and Activist Facts), and news sources neutral on the subject matter, I have to say my views are changed. After reading more of the replies on this thread, I was curious to check out what PETA had to say. After looking at their "Financial Reports" for 2018, it is quite apparent they aim to be very vague on what they are spending on...Considering they are extra vague even on their website is quite telling that they don't want you to know where your money is going.
It says on their website that in 2018 of $56,171,611 in revenue they spent 16.2% on "Membership Development" which seems like much too much for an organization that's supposed goal is to help animals...
They also lump another 81.9% of their expenditure this year into "Direct Program Support", which seems quite fishy considering how vague the categories within "Direct Program Support" are. I find it hard to believe they spent >$14,000,000 solely on education outreach last year....and if all that money was spent, it certainly was a waste, as I think their so-called educational materials do the opposite of educating, its all just brand propaganda.
Prior to this forum, I was not aware of their stance on captive wildlife either, and how many zoos they have attempted to sue for doing good conservation work.
I have also been searching through some of the old FBI records, and it is quite apparent they are classified as terrorists. I was not aware of their ties to ALF or SHAC, the former having committed an upwards of 1,100 different criminal acts....It is ironic how their mission is to help animals, yet they support the use of firearms and explosives directed at humans, to get their point across. Just because of this fact, I definitely despise these organizations a lot more now.
Lastly, after doing some more research into PETA's current activities, regarding their shelters and their current "campaigns", it seems like a good majority of what they do is pointless to begin with, like campaigning to get the cage that held the animals on Barnum's crackers removed (I wonder how much this cost to do....). It's also shocking how many animals they kill like Tom said. Every year since 1998 its been above a 70% kill rate....That's insane.
So I'd say in conclusion, due to this discussion and some more research into the subject, my view is that PETA turns out to be a bunch of creeps banning together to try to get their voices heard....They aren't in it for the animals...
And to answer the question, I'd say not much!
The point of me typing all that I've typed on this thread and others like it is to open people's eyes to a genuine enemy of anyone who loves animals. Words cannot express how happy I am that you took it upon yourself to look these things up and reach your own conclusion. I am clearly very biased on this subject and obviously have much "skin in the game", so I'm glad when someone doesn't take my word for it and looks it up for themselves. What you find on your own is usually worse than all my "tedious and tiresome ranting".
Most years Phil Goss from USARK comes to the TTPG conference and keeps us up to date on the latest pending laws, animal rightist shenanigans and evil deeds. Last your he said PETA and the HSUS had both received around 80 million dollars in donations. USARK had only received something like 67 thousand to fight them. Its a one sided fight. We all need to get in the game or the AR groups are going to continue succeeding and eventually shut us all down. If someone can't donate money, then at least do what we've done here: Talk about it and expose these violent criminal liars for what they are and what they stand for to people who don't know better yet.
again , are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ? there factually is plenty of it
do you feel it doesn't need monitored ????
as far as peta being a threat to peoples pets , and our diets , i'd say that is highly overblown for the exact same purpose as their extreme claims are overblown …the price of meat due to government regulations is more likely to effect your diet than peta ….. there are much greater threats to our way of life and freedoms in the united states than peta , peta I doubt is in the top 1000 from my perspective…….. as far as who they are a threat to , those industries are proven not to be capable of policing themselves , do a better job and you'll reduce their ammunition , they got lots of it …… if you get a video of me kicking and beating my dog , the dog cowering in the corner or going belly up hoping I don't kill him , what would be an acceptable explanation ? folks should show as much outrage toward the folks in the industries giving them their legit ammo …….. was there a good explanation for those folks in texas making the animal crush videos , peta tracked the down , who else is doing such stuff ??????? usark ?????? these reptiles are treated inhumanely way more than they're not …….. peta euthanized 2000 animals in 2018 , in the US alone 1.5 million cats and dogs were euthanized , the problem isn't peta ……...
do you feel it doesn't need monitored ????
as far as peta being a threat to peoples pets , and our diets , i'd say that is highly overblown for the exact same purpose as their extreme claims are overblown …the price of meat due to government regulations is more likely to effect your diet than peta ….. there are much greater threats to our way of life and freedoms in the united states than peta , peta I doubt is in the top 1000 from my perspective…….. as far as who they are a threat to , those industries are proven not to be capable of policing themselves , do a better job and you'll reduce their ammunition , they got lots of it …… if you get a video of me kicking and beating my dog , the dog cowering in the corner or going belly up hoping I don't kill him , what would be an acceptable explanation ? folks should show as much outrage toward the folks in the industries giving them their legit ammo …….. was there a good explanation for those folks in texas making the animal crush videos , peta tracked the down , who else is doing such stuff ??????? usark ?????? these reptiles are treated inhumanely way more than they're not …….. peta euthanized 2000 animals in 2018 , in the US alone 1.5 million cats and dogs were euthanized , the problem isn't peta ……...
I'm a vegetarian but I want to be abundantly clear- PETA at it's core is a terrible organization, in my opinion. They draw reasonable animal lovers in with cute cartoon pictures of chicks and "I am not a nugget!" And bunnies against animal testing, all while they believe all domestic animals should be dead, euthanizing almost all the animals they claim to be 'saving', labeling pitbulls as killing machines...the list goes on. In my eyes, it's basically an extremist cult- where at the surface lots of kind hearted vegetarians and animal lovers relate to the message, but when you dig deeper and move through the "levels" in the organization, it is abundantly clear that is not what they are about.
If you love animals, if you are a vegetarian...please consider directing any activism and efforts elsewhere. It benefits nobody when we ignore real, glaring, terrible issues, because we agree with some of the surface values.
I am a (long time)vegetarian, but that does NOT mean I am a PETA supporter. I have strong, pacifist view points. I truly believe the greatest way to affect change is to change our own behaviours. Speak with your spending, and with your actions. Oh, and in my case sharing my own values with my kids!
If you love animals, if you are a vegetarian...please consider directing any activism and efforts elsewhere. It benefits nobody when we ignore real, glaring, terrible issues, because we agree with some of the surface values.
I am a (long time)vegetarian, but that does NOT mean I am a PETA supporter. I have strong, pacifist view points. I truly believe the greatest way to affect change is to change our own behaviours. Speak with your spending, and with your actions. Oh, and in my case sharing my own values with my kids!
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