burmese stars: outdoors can 3 males and 1 female be ok ?

Mary Ann

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in summer months outdoor pen has 3 males and 1 female.....winter indoors all seperated.
I am desperate for an answer...to many sellers promised females and it did not happen. the two males coexisted with some mating action but never aggression- this season they will all be of similar size and be outdoors togther will it be ok? thank you
 

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Depends on the situation. If the enclosure us big with many barriers and hiding areas its very possible. If you see aggression and mounting behavior between males that's when you should consider speration and or letting them go and search for females.

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This species usually gets along pretty well in mixed groups. You'll have to give it a try and make sure there isn't too much aggression, or to much attention toward the female. There probably won't be. What size enclosure outside? Can we see a pic?

Nearly everyone I know with this species ended up male heavy. I was lucky. 8 of 14 were male for me, and all were "incubated for female". G-Stars got 15 out of 15 males. All of his were also "incubated for female". Buyers of this species should know that the sellers do not know what incubation temps produce males or females, myself included.
 

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I've wondered for some time if the temperature of the female during egg development - BEFORE they are laid - has any bearing on gender of the hatchlings? It seems everyone focuses on the incubation temps as the determining factor, but I haven't seen any studies on pre-laid temps of eggs (gravid female internal temp). It's probably out there somewhere...
 

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I've wondered for some time if the temperature of the female during egg development - BEFORE they are laid - has any bearing on gender of the hatchlings? It seems everyone focuses on the incubation temps as the determining factor, but I haven't seen any studies on pre-laid temps of eggs (gravid female internal temp). It's probably out there somewhere...
I can neither confirm nor deny this possibility. I keep my night boxes in the low 80s all winter long when the females are laying, and I also run basking lamps on timers in the 4x8 boxes which raise the temps into the high 80s or low 90s during the day, even when its "cold" and rainy outside. I'll bet that is higher than most other keepers. Females can come out and bask in our typical warm winter days and they frequently do. Time will tell if I'm producing more males or females. After a diapause break, I incubate at 87-88. No split scutes at that temp so far. Many clutches have a 100% hatch rate.
 

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I can neither confirm nor deny this possibility. I keep my night boxes in the low 80s all winter long when the females are laying, and I also run basking lamps on timers in the 4x8 boxes which raise the temps into the high 80s or low 90s during the day, even when its "cold" and rainy outside. I'll bet that is higher than most other keepers. Females can come out and bask in our typical warm winter days and they frequently do. Time will tell if I'm producing more males or females. After a diapause break, I incubate at 87-88. No split scutes at that temp so far. Many clutches have a 100% hatch rate.
There still seems so much knowledge to discover. The pyramiding issue has had many "causes" over the past 40-50 years. I remember back in the 70's (reptilian husbandry dark ages) that temps were everything, diet was secondary, and humidity was an unknown. Now is a great time to be raising torts...
 

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There still seems so much knowledge to discover. The pyramiding issue has had many "causes" over the past 40-50 years. I remember back in the 70's (reptilian husbandry dark ages) that temps were everything, diet was secondary, and humidity was an unknown. Now is a great time to be raising torts...
Agreed! :)
 

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in summer months outdoor pen has 3 males and 1 female.....winter indoors all seperated.
I am desperate for an answer...to many sellers promised females and it did not happen. the two males coexisted with some mating action but never aggression- this season they will all be of similar size and be outdoors togther will it be ok? thank you
 

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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PROMPT RESCUE REPLYS. I AM AN OLD TIMER WHO HAS KEPT CHERRYHEADS FROM THE 80'S ONKY ONE BABY HAD SOME BUMPIES AND I AS WELL AS CHARLY FROM TURTLE FARM IN FLORIDA BELIVE IT COMES FROM OVEREATING DAILY
 
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