What do I have?

I know there Greeks but what kind and male or female
Some pics are with flash some not.
Thanks For your input
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number 3

Based on pics alone, I'd say Female, Female, Male. But I'd like to know SCL and gram weight before I cast my vote for sure They look Antakyan to me, or even Antakyan x Golden crosses. I brought up pics of my Antakyan Cross girl's parents to compare and they all look very similar to her dam and sire.

Meg90 said:

Based on pics alone, I'd say Female, Female, Male. But I'd like to know SCL and gram weight before I cast my vote for sure They look Antakyan to me, or even Antakyan x Golden crosses. I brought up pics of my Antakyan Cross girl's parents to compare and they all look very similar to her dam and sire.

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1 356 grams 4.5"
2 392 grams 5"
3 228 grams 4.25"

Thanks Meg

Do you have more pics of the last one? Also, if you hold them up, you get better plastron pics, with a better angle, like this, these are my girls:
Female

Female

B K-Can you post some pics of their heads and front legs along with a full plastron view?

They all look like females, the first 2 look like golden but not sure about the third.

Ur is female

GBtortoises said:

B K-Can you post some pics of their heads and front legs along with a full plastron view?

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They are still very shy except number 3
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The first two, more yellow tortoises look to be Antakyan Greeks Testudo (gracea) antakyensis. They are considered either as a subspecies of T. gracea or a completely seperate species, depending upon what literature you choose to accept. The third looks to be at least part Antakyan although has a lot of physical differences. Truthfully, it's very difficult for anyone to 100% absolutey pinpoint most specific Middle Eastern Greek subspecies once they are here in captivity. They are collected from various areas within their range and then shipped and distributed together. In the wild there are vastly different tortoises, both cosmetically and structurally of the same species due to the large and varying geographical range that they inhabit.
"Golden Greek" tortoises are no one species or subspecies but instead a common name given to various Greek subspecies from the Middle East, Northern Mediterranean and North Africa that are nearly void of all dark coloration.