Affordable healthcare act upheld

[lisa127]

I'm retired from the phone company. I've been retired for almost 20 years. And the phone company STILL pays my health care premiums. Obamacare wants to do away with that.

The same with my husband and myself Yvonne. These large companies are able to drop our insurance now with just a $2,000 fine, which would be much cheaper than continuing to give us insurance. After working for 40 years for the same company, we now stand a good chance of loosing our medical coverage, and will have to pay out of our own pocket. So what do we do now, if we aren't poor enough to get everything free, and not rich enough to pay for good coverage?

You are very fortunate. At my job, people who are already retired and have been for 20 years also get their health insurance totally paid for. That is not the case anymore for the rest of us. We now have to pay a good portion of the healthcare costs in retirement. And that could change to it not being offered at all someday. Honestly, I don't see how most of us will ever be able to afford to retire. I may be working until the day I die.

 

[Jacqui]

The difference for me is a state level if I don't like living in Mass. then I can move to another state, under this plan (ACA) I have no such option. I am also curious how he plans on funding it. I dislike being forced to buy something, being forced to enter into a private contract. I don't see how this can be considered a free country if I am being forced to buy something.

So you don't already pay Federal Income taxes? Isn't that a FORCED item you actually buy? Another one of those things where not everybody pays the same amount percentage wise and where those who fail to pay can in the future end up paying less then their entire bill?

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This is a reminder from a Mod, for awhile there we were getting into personal slurs and insults, that is NOT allowed. Keep it a nice debate please.... and yes, I removed them.

 

[jaizei]

There are two kinds of people in our society:
1. Those who live off the system. (government employees, welfare recipients, etc...)
2. Those who make the money to fund the system. (Me, Doc, Jeff, Mike, formerly Yvonne and Terryo, and many others)

You list a bunch of people who oppose this law as 'those who make the money to fund the system;' implying that those that support this law are in group 1? This is the only reason I can see to list specific peoples' names, while omitting others. Ooooh, you included "many others," good save .

I think this illustrates one of the problems with perception that some have. Supporting this law doesn't mean that someone is on welfare or otherwise living off the system. It may be hard to believe, but some people support things that are of no benefit to them.

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

There are two kinds of people in our society:
1. Those who live off the system. (government employees, welfare recipients, etc...)
2. Those who make the money to fund the system. (Me, Doc, Jeff, Mike, formerly Yvonne and Terryo, and many others)

I read an article that speculated that society has a tipping point at which it can no longer support itself. They estimated that that tipping point was 39%. In other words, when 39% of the population is on the dole, society collapses. It is estimated that we are at 33-36% and rapidly climbing. Everybody ready for what's coming? It's gonna get ugly. Real ugly.

I do have to agree with TAH about the two parties being opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. Both parties are screwing us over. Big time. We can argue all day long about which party is screwing us the worse. Personally, I think they are laughing while we argue.

Yeah, and by Americans brainlessly backing "our team", be they Republicrats or Demopublicans, rather than understanding that neither side REALLY concerns itself w/ that which benefits America, the politicians continue to get away with it.

 

[CLMoss]

I would think that this is a move in the right direction. Maybe we can catch up with the rest of the world some day...

Your statement "Maybe we can catch up with the rest of the world", puzzles me.
Mexico, where drug cartels murder their citizens weekly? Canada, where you're considered lucky if your tax burden can be kept under 60%. Grease, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, all on the verge of bankruptcy due to their Socialist agenda's including their Socialized medical coverage. Muslin countries of the middle East where women have little or no rights and continue to be stoned in a public forum. Cuba, Venezuela, and other South and Central American countries who cling to Communist type governments. The list can go on and on but I ask you why all the people from nations around the world try to get into our great country and if they are successful they continue to reside here illegally.

Bush was not the smartest, that's for sure, but the nation started to go downhill with the Carter administration, not with Bush, and now "the self proclaimed king" is bringing us closer and closer to being a Socialistic nation.

In year 2000 the WHO (World health organization) rated our health care system #37. Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America


(Have you ever wondered where the United States ranks with other countries in the world for life expectancy? You might guess it would be in the top 10. Wrong! Top 20? Nope. Top 30? No way. Top 40? Not quite. For 2010, the United States barely makes it into the top fifty, at 49th place. Life expectancy in the United States is 78.24 years, while the longest life expectancy is in Monaco at 89.78 years.)

Canadians are not rushing into this great country. I would be happy to pay 60% of my income to live a secure life, knowing that a health issue will not send me into poverty. You health insurance does not pay for everything. Be happy that you have not experienced health issues that others have.

"Socialism," think about Medicare, public school system and social security... When capitalism is out of control the government needs to step in. Health Insurance should be a non-for-profit, not a greedy middle man bleeding our economy.

We should compare our country with the best countries in the world.

View statistics that are non-partisan, individual accounts are not representive of a full picture.

 

[Zamric]

It's amazing how talking Politics turns people into idiots real quick.......

Who here has actual experince in the political arena?

That is one reason I don't talk Politics! My wife doesn't even know how I vote. Being a Pagan (Wicca) I don't talk Religion either. These 2 subjects are of a personal nature and it is VERY RARE when a person is truely talked into believing something they don't feel is right in thier heart!

I will say, I am a Military person, Born and raised by an FM (Field Manual). I am no longer IN the Military but my children are (Being 5th generation Military, I don't think they had much choise!).

having said that, and spending extincive time over seas, I will STILL stand up for our Country and it's political system. Sometimes it sucks! but having seen other systems of government at work on the World Stage, OURS is still the best system and WE (the people) have a say in it (unlike 95% of the other systems out there).

Fed Up with Republicans? would you rather have a Dictator? (a REAL one, not a person you think you can call a Dictator)

Tired of Democrates over spending? Maybe you would prefer someone who embezzles hundreds of millions of dollars then skips the Country?

How would you feel if we had a Governing body like the Chinese or the North Koreans?

If you don't like the System, Leave the Country (THAT is one of your RIGHTS in this Country). If you don't like the Players, Vote them Out! (That is not only your Rights in this Country, it is your Responcibility!) If you Don't Vote, then shut up! if you do Vote but your person doesn't win, at least you tried and must continue to try.

I'm Sorry if you are one of the few that will suffer because of said "Obama Care" but with a population of almost a Billion people, not everyone will be happy! I know it sounds like a cliche, but The Greater Good must be concidered by our Politicians and We, The People are the ones who choose who those Polititians are.

DON"T VOTE along Political lines! Vote for the person you HONESTLY believe can do the job best. WE, The People, are NOT Republicans or Democrats (Those are Political Terms for Political Lines) WE Should be Non-Partisan and Vote for the Right Person for the Right Job. Voting along Political Lines gives no balance to the system.

"That's all I have to say about that!"

 

[StudentoftheReptile]

I did see a funny sign the other day: "If voting REALLY made a difference and changed anything, it would be illegal."

That said, I do still vote, although these days, I really am not sure why.

 

[Len B]

The way I see it, If you don't spend money for healthcare you will be taxed to pay for the people that don't spend money on healthcare,If you do spend money on healthcare you will be taxed to pay for the people who don't spend money for healthcare,Those of you that believe that if you already have healthcare are safe from new taxes, are living in la la land,and those of you that have minimal coverage will have to upgrade to better coverage or be taxed again to cover the people that still don't have the needed coverage by government standards.If they control your healthcare they control you. --It Is Behavior Modification By Taxation.-- Which the Supreme Court just said that the Government could do.I'd like to know how many of you that think this is a good thing still feel that way in 2016 after all the bad things are implemented and you are paying at least 4% more in taxes to the federal government, not to mention what the state taxes are going to do to cover medicaid and medicare rising cost, because that is where everyone is going to end up because they wont be able to pay for healthcare. By the way I have had the same healthcare coverage since 1968 and am very happy with it.

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

It's amazing how talking Politics turns people into idiots real quick.......

Who here has actual experince in the political arena?

That is one reason I don't talk Politics! My wife doesn't even know how I vote. Being a Pagan (Wicca) I don't talk Religion either. These 2 subjects are of a personal nature and it is VERY RARE when a person is truely talked into believing something they don't feel is right in thier heart!

I will say, I am a Military person, Born and raised by an FM (Field Manual). I am no longer IN the Military but my children are (Being 5th generation Military, I don't think they had much choise!).

having said that, and spending extincive time over seas, I will STILL stand up for our Country and it's political system. Sometimes it sucks! but having seen other systems of government at work on the World Stage, OURS is still the best system and WE (the people) have a say in it (unlike 95% of the other systems out there).

Fed Up with Republicans? would you rather have a Dictator? (a REAL one, not a person you think you can call a Dictator)

Tired of Democrates over spending? Maybe you would prefer someone who embezzles hundreds of millions of dollars then skips the Country?

How would you feel if we had a Governing body like the Chinese or the North Koreans?

If you don't like the System, Leave the Country (THAT is one of your RIGHTS in this Country). If you don't like the Players, Vote them Out! (That is not only your Rights in this Country, it is your Responcibility!) If you Don't Vote, then shut up! if you do Vote but your person doesn't win, at least you tried and must continue to try.

I'm Sorry if you are one of the few that will suffer because of said "Obama Care" but with a population of almost a Billion people, not everyone will be happy! I know it sounds like a cliche, but The Greater Good must be concidered by our Politicians and We, The People are the ones who choose who those Polititians are.

DON"T VOTE along Political lines! Vote for the person you HONESTLY believe can do the job best. WE, The People, are NOT Republicans or Democrats (Those are Political Terms for Political Lines) WE Should be Non-Partisan and Vote for the Right Person for the Right Job. Voting along Political Lines gives no balance to the system.

"That's all I have to say about that!"

VERY well said, Zamric!

Oh, and...

Merry Meet
Merry Part
And Merry Meet Again!​

The way I see it, If you don't spend money for healthcare you will be taxed to pay for the people that don't spend money on healthcare,If you do spend money on healthcare you will be taxed to pay for the people who don't spend money for healthcare,Those of you that believe that if you already have healthcare are safe from new taxes, are living in la la land,and those of you that have minimal coverage will have to upgrade to better coverage or be taxed again to cover the people that still don't have the needed coverage by government standards.If they control your healthcare they control you. --It Is Behavior Modification By Taxation.-- Which the Supreme Court just said that the Government could do.I'd like to know how many of you that think this is a good thing still feel that way in 2016 after all the bad things are implemented and you are paying at least 4% more in taxes to the federal government, not to mention what the state taxes are going to do to cover medicaid and medicare rising cost, because that is where everyone is going to end up because they wont be able to pay for healthcare. By the way I have had the same healthcare coverage since 1968 and am very happy with it.

By 2016, I bet you'll have seen that, for 4 years, things are MUCH better than your dire prediction. Obama, while as flawed as any other politician, is still the least bad choice...

Want better choices? Help the movement to get rid, once and for all, the Electoral College, a pretty good idea until the invention of the telegraph, a useless one ever since, so that your vote, my vote, and every other American vote (of those who bother to vote) will choose the President, not (since 1964) the 538 "electors" who are charged to, essentially, make sure We, The People, have no actual say in electing the President.

Ever get frustrated about your vote not carrying the same weight as the Annointed 538? Well, welcome to the club!

Arguments Against the Electoral College

Those who object to the Electoral College system and favor a direct popular election of the president generally do so on four grounds:

A - the possibility of electing a minority president

B - the risk of so-called "faithless" Electors,

C - the possible role of the Electoral College in depressing voter turnout, and

D - its failure to accurately reflect the national popular will.

 

[terryo]

"DON"T VOTE along Political lines! Vote for the person you HONESTLY believe can do the job best. WE, The People, are NOT Republicans or Democrats (Those are Political Terms for Political Lines) WE Should be Non-Partisan and Vote for the Right Person for the Right Job. Voting along Political Lines gives no balance to the system."

Great post Zamric! We can only try.

 

[Josh]

I see that portions of this thread are being moved to the moderator section. If these discussions cannot be CIVIL and RESPECTFUL then we'll have to remove them altogether. It just doesn't make sense to bash each other over the head with the same arguments again and again.

 

[terryo]

Political debates are a BAD thing on all forums. They really never solve anything and only cause animosity among friends. Ah David.........

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

Political debates are a BAD thing on all forums. They really never solve anything and only cause animosity among friends. Ah David.........

Respectfully agree that it should be kept polite.

BTW, TerryO, you requested, sometime ago, a pic of some of the Georgia & Katelyn Hall Memorial Chihuahua herd, so, in the way of a slight diversion from this heated topic, here's the story of my favorite of the rescues, "Squeaky"...

Squeaky was removed from about the nastiest puppy-mill I've ever seen (and if the cop who helped us wasn't such a kind soul, I might've spent some time in jail over this...but we'll discuss that in about 5 more years, when the statute of limitations runs out ) The rescue organization my wife and daughter are involved with at first thought she should be "put down", due to her terrible health...I, otoh, decided that after the first 5 years of Hell that her life had been, she deserved a chance...she'd literaly been bred so often that, in order to prouce milk for her puppies on the crud this place fed their dogs, she'd lost most the cacium from her bones, and her lower jaw still feels like rubber. Her spine/ribs still look skeletal, even though she's fed seperately, so none of the other dogs can steal her food, and is allowed as much as she will eat. My vet is very pleased at how well her overall health has become.

She now eats kibble soaked in milk, with a tsp. of "limestone flour" added...otoh, she can now walk/run, has gotten over her fear of men, and has a very sweet disposition. She is ALWAYS in either my wife's lap or beside me in my desk chair, and if either of us gets up, she trots right along, whining until she gets to sit back down w/ us, and sleeps on my wife's pillow every night.

Note her bottom jaw...These pics are fairly recent, the pics of her right after we adopted her would likely give you nightmares.

 

[dmmj]

I had honestly thought we could be adults and discuss this, I did.

 

[terryo]

Political debates are a BAD thing on all forums. They really never solve anything and only cause animosity among friends. Ah David.........

Respectfully agree that it should be kept polite.

BTW, TerryO, you requested, sometime ago, a pic of some of the Georgia & Katelyn Hall Memorial Chihuahua herd, so, in the way of a slight diversion from this heated topic, here's the story of my favorite of the rescues, "Squeaky"...

Squeaky was removed from about the nastiest puppy-mill I've ever seen (and if the cop who helped us wasn't such a kind soul, I might've spent some time in jail over this...but we'll discuss that in about 5 more years, when the statute of limitations runs out ) The rescue organization my wife and daughter are involved with at first thought she should be "put down", due to her terrible health...I, otoh, decided that after the first 5 years of Hell that her life had been, she deserved a chance...she'd literaly been bred so often that, in order to prouce milk for her puppies on the crud this place fed their dogs, she'd lost most the cacium from her bones, and her lower jaw still feels like rubber. Her spine/ribs still look skeletal, even though she's fed seperately, so none of the other dogs can steal her food, and is allowed as much as she will eat. My vet is very pleased at how well her overall health has become.

She now eats kibble soaked in milk, with a tsp. of "limestone flour" added...otoh, she can now walk/run, has gotten over her fear of men, and has a very sweet disposition. She is ALWAYS in either my wife's lap or beside me in my desk chair, and if either of us gets up, she trots right along, whining until she gets to sit back down w/ us, and sleeps on my wife's pillow every night.

Note her bottom jaw...These pics are fairly recent, the pics of her right after we adopted her would likely give you nightmares.

This is a subject that is extremely close to my heart, and I had to stop reading for a while as I was quite literally in tears. Thank you so much for posting this, and bless you for taking her in. Some day, some how, you will be well rewarded for you kindness, and I honestly know what joy she brings you and your family. I have two from a puppy mill now with many health issues.

Don't worry David. It was fun reading some of these posts. You must know though, that politics bring out the worst in people.

 

[Jacqui]

Political debates are a BAD thing on all forums. They really never solve anything and only cause animosity among friends. Ah David.........

Yeppers

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

Political debates are a BAD thing on all forums. They really never solve anything and only cause animosity among friends. Ah David.........

Respectfully agree that it should be kept polite.

BTW, TerryO, you requested, sometime ago, a pic of some of the Georgia & Katelyn Hall Memorial Chihuahua herd, so, in the way of a slight diversion from this heated topic, here's the story of my favorite of the rescues, "Squeaky"...

Squeaky was removed from about the nastiest puppy-mill I've ever seen (and if the cop who helped us wasn't such a kind soul, I might've spent some time in jail over this...but we'll discuss that in about 5 more years, when the statute of limitations runs out ) The rescue organization my wife and daughter are involved with at first thought she should be "put down", due to her terrible health...I, otoh, decided that after the first 5 years of Hell that her life had been, she deserved a chance...she'd literaly been bred so often that, in order to prouce milk for her puppies on the crud this place fed their dogs, she'd lost most the cacium from her bones, and her lower jaw still feels like rubber. Her spine/ribs still look skeletal, even though she's fed seperately, so none of the other dogs can steal her food, and is allowed as much as she will eat. My vet is very pleased at how well her overall health has become.

She now eats kibble soaked in milk, with a tsp. of "limestone flour" added...otoh, she can now walk/run, has gotten over her fear of men, and has a very sweet disposition. She is ALWAYS in either my wife's lap or beside me in my desk chair, and if either of us gets up, she trots right along, whining until she gets to sit back down w/ us, and sleeps on my wife's pillow every night.

Note her bottom jaw...These pics are fairly recent, the pics of her right after we adopted her would likely give you nightmares.

This is a subject that is extremely close to my heart, and I had to stop reading for a while as I was quite literally in tears. Thank you so much for posting this, and bless you for taking her in. Some day, some how, you will be well rewarded for you kindness, and I honestly know what joy she brings you and your family. I have two from a puppy mill now with many health issues.

Don't worry David. It was fun reading some of these posts. You must know though, that politics bring out the worst in people.

Having her to help keep my rib cage warm while I'm on the computer (while Hamlet The Wonder Mini-Hog keeps my feet warm ) is plenty enough reward.

 

[terryo]

Absolutely!