Well today I was looking on craigslist and I open an ad for a boxie (it had a picture). I about fell out of my chair, he is so deformed, when I got there 11/2 hr later he was in a 10 gal tank right next to the front door on alphalfa pellets, she said he just came out of hibernation (they keep his lights of and he stays under his hide) he is as dry as can be. Here is the pic the lady posted.... I will take more later...