Baby sulcata bottom beak fell off😳

AgataP

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No, and no there isn't one around here. Only 1 "exotic" vet anywhere near and they close at 5😔

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I know of meloxicam to be used in tortoise pain management. Do you have any vet 24/7 close to you? Maybe someone knows ?
I read newer studies show that tramadol shows to be managing pain - please don’t take my advice on any meds I am not a vet!
I am just sharing what I read.

I wish there would be something that could help her.
Hugs to you and hugs to your baby.
 

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If she passes, we ask that you place her body in a tupperware or a ziploc bag, and place it in the refrigerator. Not the freezer. In the refrigerator.
If there are any remaining signs of the yellow bumps, contact @mastershake either here on this thread, or by Private Message. He will talk with you and if needed, make arrangements for the transfer to Univ of Florida.

I know this is difficult, and I'm praying that your baby will be ok. But if that doesn't work out, you have the opportunity to be part of solving this disease, and making sure no more baby sullies die of it.
 

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If she passes, we ask that you place her body in a tupperware or a ziploc bag, and place it in the refrigerator. Not the freezer. In the refrigerator.
If there are any remaining signs of the yellow bumps, contact @mastershake either here on this thread, or by Private Message. He will talk with you and if needed, make arrangements for the transfer to Univ of Florida.

I know this is difficult, and I'm praying that your baby will be ok. But if that doesn't work out, you have the opportunity to be part of solving this disease, and making sure no more baby sullies die of it.

If it happens, i definitely will. This little girl has a strong spirit..she's here to fight another day😁
 

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Are these better @zovick ???
The new pix are somewhat better but still it is hard to see the jaw bone area clearly. I think the camera is still too close to the tortoise. The best view would be from slightly above and looking down into the lower part of the mouth from about 6" to 8" or so away. Also it would be good to use a flash on a couple or so of them so the inside of the mouth can be seen without being in a shadow.

From what I can see, there appears to be exposed bone where the horny piece came off the bone. This could be a sign of some type of infection causing it to slough off. I was hoping to see a new horny covering underneath the old one which would indicate healing, but I cannot tell if that is happening with the current or prior photos.

If you want to try taking new ones again, I will keep checking them and let you know what I can tell.
 

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Update..I fed Bonnie after work and she ate like a champ, then started her carrot soak and suddenly went limp, then came back, then went limp again. She's not back in her box and moving around a bit. I have a horrible feeling that this might be the night I've been dreading. Prayers please😭😭😭😭😫
Noooooo!!!
 

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OK, from what I can see in the recent pictures it appears that the bare bone of the lower jaw is exposed. I can see the right side best due to the position in which you are holding the tortoise. I do not see any sign of bleeding, though, which is somewhat strange if the bone is actually exposed and it just happened a day ago. Does that area look like white bone to you when you look at it? I have to admit I am still having a bit of trouble seeing the area as clearly as I would hope because the pictures which show the area the best just happen to be the ones which are the least in focus (Murphy's law).

At any rate, it appears that the tortoise still has the will to live, and if the bone is indeed exposed, it doesn't seem to be hindering the feeding response. I would say to just keep doing what you are doing and in time that horny covering should grow back over the mandible, assuming the tortoise survives whatever caused the skin bumps, the spots between the scutes, and the loss of the jaw covering.

It very well could be that there is a systemic infection from some bacteria or other which is causing all these external manifestations. I was going to suggest using some antibiotics, but I just noted above in post #56 that your vet gave the tortoise Baytril. When was that and was it injected or did he/she use an oral medication? The injections are far more accurate than oral dosing, but injecting Baytril often causes pain and tissue necrosis at the injection sites.
 

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thats why baytril should always be diluted with saline or sterile water to prevent necrosis. if bone is exposed that could be an infection susceptible site imo
 

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OK, from what I can see in the recent pictures it appears that the bare bone of the lower jaw is exposed. I can see the right side best due to the position in which you are holding the tortoise. I do not see any sign of bleeding, though, which is somewhat strange if the bone is actually exposed and it just happened a day ago. Does that area look like white bone to you when you look at it? I have to admit I am still having a bit of trouble seeing the area as clearly as I would hope because the pictures which show the area the best just happen to be the ones which are the least in focus (Murphy's law).

At any rate, it appears that the tortoise still has the will to live, and if the bone is indeed exposed, it doesn't seem to be hindering the feeding response. I would say to just keep doing what you are doing and in time that horny covering should grow back over the mandible, assuming the tortoise survives whatever caused the skin bumps, the spots between the scutes, and the loss of the jaw covering.

It very well could be that there is a systemic infection from some bacteria or other which is causing all these external manifestations. I was going to suggest using some antibiotics, but I just noted above in post #56 that your vet gave the tortoise Baytril. When was that and was it injected or did he/she use an oral medication? The injections are far more accurate than oral dosing, but injecting Baytril often causes pain and tissue necrosis at the injection sites.
Yes it looks white..I assume bone? And the baytril was 1 single injection on sept 17th
 

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OK, from what I can see in the recent pictures it appears that the bare bone of the lower jaw is exposed. I can see the right side best due to the position in which you are holding the tortoise. I do not see any sign of bleeding, though, which is somewhat strange if the bone is actually exposed and it just happened a day ago. Does that area look like white bone to you when you look at it? I have to admit I am still having a bit of trouble seeing the area as clearly as I would hope because the pictures which show the area the best just happen to be the ones which are the least in focus (Murphy's law).

At any rate, it appears that the tortoise still has the will to live, and if the bone is indeed exposed, it doesn't seem to be hindering the feeding response. I would say to just keep doing what you are doing and in time that horny covering should grow back over the mandible, assuming the tortoise survives whatever caused the skin bumps, the spots between the scutes, and the loss of the jaw covering.

It very well could be that there is a systemic infection from some bacteria or other which is causing all these external manifestations. I was going to suggest using some antibiotics, but I just noted above in post #56 that your vet gave the tortoise Baytril. When was that and was it injected or did he/she use an oral medication? The injections are far more accurate than oral dosing, but injecting Baytril often causes pain and tissue necrosis at the injection sites.

And which pics are best position/angle? I can try to take that angle after work with hubby's camera, his is much clearer
 
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