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  1. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    I have eaten dog (among other things that might get me booted off the tortoise forum). Not the best meat in the world, and I hope I am never offered it again.[hr]
    I respect that you are not going to patronize them because you disagree with what they are doing, but I don't think you are going to see any type of an apology over this. And they really shouldn't apologize either...they have the right to support a cause they believe in.
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    Sure, they are bred for consumption now. I know that. That's not why they were originally domesticated though.

    Technically you can call chimps (and gorillas) omnivores, but their diet is still 95% vegetarian. The other 5% is made up of mostly insects. In the case of the chimp, some very occassional small animals. But mostly insects. Either way, 95% vegetarian is a far cry from the diet we consume. I don't know much about baboons though. And yes, canine teeth are for tearing meat....on those animals who have real canine teeth. Our canine teeth are really not any longer than the rest of our teeth. And they are barely pointed. Hardly useful for ripping and tearing flesh.

    Anyway, I guess we should put down our burgers and trade the cows, pigs, and chickens for crickets and mealworms.
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    Edna New Member 5 Year Member

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    What is your source for the above statement? As far as I understand, dogs were domesticated in pre-history.
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    I really don't expect an apology...As long as they don't expect me to eat their chicken. I can go to Zaxby's if I really need some chicken I don't make myself.
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    it's that the democratic party wants it legal because it secures votes.
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    That is not true Tyler. How many votes could that secure? If it were up to the republicans, we would still have slaves.

    And what does chicken have to do with marriage? Why would he get up on his soap box to speak of his homophobic stance on gay marriage? Republicans love to feel that they are superior to those who don't have the same belief system. But, progress will go on with or without the Republicans.

    I would like to add, that those of you Republicans with young children, that may turn out to be "gay," can eat your words. You never know what the future may hold for your gay children...



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    Edna, please tell me what is "pre-history?" ~C
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    Edna New Member 5 Year Member

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    LOL Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and the Democrats wanted to let the South secede, which would have perpetuated slavery. [hr]
    Pre-history is pretty much everything that happened before people started making a written record of events.
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    CLMoss Active Member 5 Year Member

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    I understand that Lincoln was a Republican; however, republicans were a different type of animal at the time... But again, what is pre-history???

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    What year was that?
  8. Edna

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    What year was what???
    Prehistory is everything that happened before humans started making a written record of events.
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    I guess what I am asking is did we find dog bones in Neanderthals caves? Is that pre-history?
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    Yes
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    Kerryann, Your grandpa sounds like an excellent man. Somebody I would probably have liked and respected had I met him. I share his beliefs about animals and I'm teaching those same values to my child.

    This post helped me to better understand your point of view and to understand why we are in disagreement about this subject. You see the chickens as being being tortured and suffering unnecessarily. I have not seen that to be the case in most large scale chicken farming operations, and that is why we see this thing so differently. If I agreed that the chickens were being horribly mistreated, I would side more with you on this issue. So our difference of opinion seems to be on how the chickens are being handled and cared for, and what is acceptable. I have read the animal rightest groups info on how these chickens are raised and cared for, and found it to be full of errors and mis-representations. "Spin", if you will. Of course, the chicken farmers and big industry spin it in their direction too, but from what I have personally seen and experienced, I don't have a problem with the industry guidelines and feel the care for these animals is adequate. My wife took a "Meat Utilization" class as part of her masters program, and spent an entire year learning about the chicken, beef and pork industries. A lot of my opinion comes from her direct hands on experience with this subject, as well as what I have personally seen myself. And believe me, she is the total animal lover, softy... She can't even stand it when I kill pests like rats and things...
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    Who unearthed "dog" in Neanderthal caves? Or was it wolves???
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    Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) are not thought to have domesticated animals. Rather, it is our species (H. sapiens) that has domesticated animals, starting with the wolf/dog.

    The first fossils of wolf bones in human settlements come from southern Asia about 15,000 years ago ... this would be over 10,000 years before the first written records in Sumeria, making the domestication of wolves a prehistoric event (i.e. before documentation began). These fossils are considered proto-dog, because morphologically they are intermediate between wild wolves and domestic dogs, in terms of the length of the snout and teeth.

    Genetic comparisons between dogs and wolves broadly agree with the fossil record, although some studies suggest that wolves were domesticated tens of thousands of years earlier.

    Some scientists think wolves first started hanging around human camps to scavenge food. Over time they became selected for docility. People would have then used them as sentinels and hunting partners. Today, hunter-gatherers greatly value their dogs for their tracking ability, and do not eat them. Consumption of dogs probably only began in some places after civilization (literally "city-dwelling") began.
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    I'm trying to understand where you are going with your line of inquiry, but it escapes me.

    Canis familiaris remains were found at the Bonn-Oberkassel site, understood to be from 14,000 years ago. Remains of domesticated canines were found in Siberia in sites from 33,000 years ago.

    I don't know if either of those sites were Neanderthal, but that seems irrelevant because they were not the only pre-historic human group.
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    Canis lupus familiaris now. ;)
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    lisa127 Wrote: Sure, they are bred for consumption now. I know that. That's not why they were originally domesticated though.
    ________________________________________________________Edna wrote:_

    What is your source for the above statement? As far as I understand, dogs were domesticated in pre-history.

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    Like Lisa said, "now domestic dogs are bred for consumption." You asked her about her source, stating that they were bred and domesticated for human consumption in "pre-history." I don't believe that to be the case. They Homo-sapiens & Neanderthals may have killed and ate wolfs, being hunters & gatherers, but I don't believe that they bred and ate domestic dogs. They were not farmers. Farming came after pre-history. Domestic dogs were very important and valued as helpers and companions.

    I have see loyle, domestic, companion dogs being clubbed to death by its owner, while wagging his/her tail...for a tasty meal.

    Now if it is a question of a human starving to death in this country, which I don't believe is the case, than it is acceptable. Countries that experienced famine, that ate their babies, and if they developed a taste for them, would that be an acceptable cultural practice? Where does one draw the line? Dogs were domasticated to be companion animals, not meat. Even in cultures where it is acceptable to eat "dog" the younger generations are starting to rebel against this practice.

    I am a born and raised in the city. We don't slaughter animals here. We go to the store.
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    Is this an intended play on words??[hr]
    I asked about a source for her statement that dogs were not originally domesticated for consumption. The folks who domesticated dogs did not leave us with a written statement of their intentions. Statements made about what those intentions might have been are conjecture.
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    Moderator note: While all this back-and-forth about eating other animals besides chicken...or even chicken for that matter, is interesting, and you all have been very polite, the topic is the inhumane treatment of chickens bred and raised for food. "Chic Fill A" is in the subject title, but the original post really doesn't talk about that company except to say they are receiving free advertising. So...back to the topic of humane/inhumane treatment of chickens grown and raised for food.
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    I am actually surprised at the people saying factory farmed chickens are treated humanely. I have only ever heard the opposite. Factory farming is for mass production, and I find it hard to believe that the chickens can possibly be treated humanely.
    I googled "humane factory farming" and I am only finding animal rights websites stating the cruelty of factory farming.
    Such as this: http://www.care2.com/causes/horrific-conditions-for-factory-farmed-chickens-exposed.html

    Can someone point me in a different direction?
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    It is just a matter of opinion. Really no matter what any website says, either pro or con, is just going to be biased info. We can each look at the same set of cages in a warehouse, and one of might think its fine, while the other thinks its deplorable.
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