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Do you believe in ghosts?

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  1. Tom

    Tom The Dog Trainer 5 Year Member Platinum Tortoise Club

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    I always find it amusing when self-professed "Christians" don't believe in ghosts when their whole religion is founded on their messiah being martyred and then rising from the dead. We have the holy trinity, the holy ghost and for God's sake we have a national holiday with bunnies and chocolates commemorating the re-birth of Christ. How can a "Christian" NOT believe in ghosts?
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    Make me a believer Dawndy. Tell me more. I perceived many things on my feverish night. Can you tell me anything else.
  2. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Depends on how you define ghost maybe.

    Not wanting to get too religious, Christ was resurrected with body and spirit...not really a ghost as I would define it.

    What some call angels and demons, others call ghosts.
  3. Tom

    Tom The Dog Trainer 5 Year Member Platinum Tortoise Club

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    I've been to many a sermon or service where the person up front referred to Him as "the holy ghost". You know, "The father, the son, the holy ghost..."

    This always confounded me as a child. "No such things as ghosts!", they would say. "No such things as monsters either". Then those same people would be talking about resurrections, holy ghosts, angels and demons, etc... I was so confused by the apparent and total disconnect here...

    I know. Huge can O' worms for some. I'll just leave it alone.
  4. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    This would lead to the discussion of the nature of the Godhead... definitely something I'm not interested in getting into on the internet. But, I actually agree with you that it's confusing that those who believe in "the holy ghost" then say they don't believe in ghosts....but again, maybe those people have different definitions for the terms "holy ghost" and a "ghost".
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    ...and, the way we celebrate "Easter" is not a Christian holiday.
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    StudentoftheReptile Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Yeah, I've never really cared for the term "holy ghost" anyway. Not even sure where it came from, honestly...probably lost in translation from the word "spirit," and so on...
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    Ditto. I "think" (never looked it up) the general definition of a ghost is the disembodied spirit of a person after that person's death. That is not what happened to Christ. He simply came back to life from death, and can travel between dimensions (between here, heaven and hell).
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    mctlong Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member

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    Or Christmas for that matter - I don't recall reading about Christmas trees and candy canes in the bible....
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    StudentoftheReptile Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Indeed it is not! Neither is Christmas, really.
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    And just to re-iterate, Christians do believe in the supernatural, but that doesn't encompass everything (including the conventional concept of ghosts).
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    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member Tortoise Club

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    That was great. Great story telling, LMAO
  10. Watsonpartyof4

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    If I could come to that house I could probably tell you more. Animals are more perceptive to spirits. I believe when we are sick loved ones from the other side are closer to us than probably any other time. When I see a spirit, I hear them inside my head not like they are talking out loud. I can't control it, if there is a spirit around they find me. I do have a picture of a spirit from a theater I volunteer at. It is of the old school teacher who used to teach in the one room school house that we have converted into a theater. I had been seeing her there from time to time and when we were taking pictures from the show for a press release we caught her on film! I was glad that others could now see her too.


    I can share what I have experienced of a "haunting"
    My cat would hiss and act scared and even attack the air. Many times she would hiss and chase something only to stop suddenly and look at me. We no longer live in this house, we had to move because of the increasing amount of activity in the house. The family that owned the house before us were the original owners, his father built the house and when his parents passed he stayed there with his wife, she died he went to a nursing home and we bought the house. I saw the father the third night we stayed in the house he was standing in the corner of our bedroom smoking a pipe, that's what woke me up, the pipe smell, I woke up my hubby and he smelled it too, jumped out of bed and checked the house and outside trying to figure out where it was coming from ( he didn't believe either) He didn't say anything just stood there checking me out, then walked out of the room, I jumped and followed and heard him walk down the steps. Hubby thought it was me coming down the steps. Then my son would see him upstairs in our room all the time sitting on our bed. My husband was taking a nap one day and felt him sit on the bed, thought it was me and freaked out. Then one day I saw the owners wife she was angry and rushed toward me and it was like a blast of frigid air went thru me. Things started falling off the wall, furniture was moved the tv would get turned on and off all hours of the night. We would walk into the kitchen with the cabinet doors all open, close them, and then come back a few minutes later, to have them all open again. I had a neighbor who was very religious and didn't believe either, it was evening still light outside, I had just come home and hubby was on the porch talking to the neighbor, and the wife was standing in front of my husband, I asked her what she was doing, and she came thru the porch, thru the car and knocked me to the ground. The neighbor said he didn't know what he saw, but was shaken up and said there is no way I just fell. He then told us later that sometimes he looks over at our house and he sees a man and a woman walking around in the dining room. And hears the tv get really loud then shut off. I was sitting at the computer one night and I felt someone pull my hair, I thought it was hubby because I heard him in the kitchen. Then someone grabbed my hair and was pulling it so hard it jerked my head back I grabbed my hair and it became a tug of war, I yelled at hubby who looked over and saw something pulling my hair, I let go and my hair was still being held in the air. My daughter was knocked down the stairs, she said it felt like someone pushed her, she ran to the neighbors until we got home. We decided to move after that. I tried explaining to them we meant no harm we just wanted to live in the house peacefully with them. She wasn't having it, she was mad we removed the wall paper( it was hideous blue velvet) her favorite color was blue, I had said many times I hate blue. We were moving and found some old pictures in the attic, I immediately recognized the man as e pipe smoker! There were the old oval kind with the bubble glass. I showed them to my son and he said OMG that's the man with the pipe, it freaked my hubby out. On one of the last days we were moving, I went over to load some boxes into the suv. I opened the door and she came down the stares screaming get out get out get out this is my house mine mine mine, I had never heard her out loud like that and it scared me, I screamed, dropped my purse and keys and ran out of the house, the door slammed shut behind me and locked. The only way it locked was by deadbolt. I went to the neighbors crying and he went back over with me and before he could try the door it flew open and right there just inside the door sat my purse and keys and the boxes were scattered all over the room. He grabbed my purse and keys and slammed the door and locked it ... I never went back, hubby got the stuff the next day. My neighbor moved 3 months later.

    I know I sound like a nutcase, and believe what you want, but I know spirits are real and for some reason, some don't cross over and chose to stay here. Some will share your space and never bother you. Others for what ever reason are not so nice. And oddly enough we live across the street from a cemetery now. So I am never alone! But I have never experienced anything like our last house.
  11. wellington

    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member Tortoise Club

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    Watsonpartyof4 that's called
    "Dissociative Identity Disorder" (Multiple Personality Disorder) :p :D
    Just kidding:D
  12. dmmj

    dmmj The member formerly known as captain awesome Moderator 10 Year Member!

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    A cat hissing and scratching at nothing= evidence of ghosts. Because we all know cats never ever act crazy and run around for no reason at all.
  13. Watsonpartyof4

    Watsonpartyof4 Active Member 5 Year Member

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    LAUGHING OUT LOUD FOR REAL!

    Well here is the thing... When I was young, and telling my mom I was seeing people and hearing people inside my head, she thought I was nuts. When my grandfather died and I told her he was standing next to her and wanted me to tell her something, she said that's it! I went to a psychologist to be evaluated and I do not have any mental disorders!

    I could tell you many other things, like I know who is going to call before the phone rings. I knew my brother would be in an accident before it happened and wrote it down in detail all the way down to where he would cut his chin. Only to have it happen two weeks later ...

    Again I know many people with think I am some nutcase..... Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut!
  14. StudentoftheReptile

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    LOL. :D
  15. wellington

    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member Tortoise Club

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    No, you fit right in here, not like most of us are sane:D
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    I sortof beleive.. I've seen some weird stuff in my short time of living.. My great grandma was a "witch" according to my family, therefor i'm supposed to have some kind of profound understanding of "otherworldly" beings, and ghosts and stuff.. I'm primarily mexican, and if you ask either one of my grandma's if they've seen the chupacabra, they would both say yes without hesitation, so i'm a bit sketchy on the whole subject. I want to believe that the things i've seen are supernatural, but the really freaky stuff is the stuff that happens to me happens in dreams.
  17. dmmj

    dmmj The member formerly known as captain awesome Moderator 10 Year Member!

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    The chupacabra is not a ghost, it is an alien pet that space aliens left behind for some reason long long ago.
  18. wellington

    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member Tortoise Club

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    Ya, my husbands mothers a witch, hahahaha LOL. Oh, your not talking about the same kind so witch. :D
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    Laurie Active Member 5 Year Member

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    There were a lot of different things that my family experienced in the house I grew up in. We never saw anybody but, you could certainly hear footsteps, the kitchen chairs moving on the floor, sometimes voices (not me, my brother). I'd also get that "feeling" like someone is watching you, it would be bad enough that I would be scared to turn around and look down the hallway.

    The stuff that happened when I was very young, who knows, I was a little kid. I can share one experience I remember clearly, I was 17 years old. Our house was on a residential street but there was an office building parking lot on the other side of the street. A big parking lot, took up the whole length of the block, so one side houses , the other side parking lot, there were always cars around so it was easy to miss my parents/siblings car. I got home from school around 3:30 and assumed nobody was home. The house was a two family house, my parents owned. We lived downstairs and they rented a three bedroom apt upstairs. The tenants had moved out and my mother was in the process of painting/cleaning the apt for new renters.

    So I get home around 330 and went into the kitchen to make a sandwich or something, I could hear someone walking upstairs. I figured my mom was up there, so I went into the hallway and looked up the stairs. The door was open, I called for my mother and didn't get a response. I though maybe I didn't hear anyone after all. I went back to our kitchen and again I hear someone upstairs, this time I'm positive! So out in the hallway, upstairs I go, I thought maybe she was in the back bedroom and couldn't hear me calling her. I go all the way into the apartment, walked through all three bedrooms, living room,kitchen...no one. Now, I'm getting a little spooked, but I was used to it. I closed the door and went back downstairs. Once I was down there, I could freaking hear steps again, I go out to the hallway, look up the stairs and the door is open!! I knew I had just closed it, I grabbed my car keys and left. I couldn't even bring myself to turn around and look up at the house from the street.

    Obviously I can't say for sure what happened, but I have never felt that uneasy in a house after that, I still have dreams that I'm there.
  20. wellington

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    Okay, see. Now that's when I would have peed my pants, ran like crazy and never would have been left alone there again.
    I used to hear things in the walls of my sister and i's bedroom. It was mice or squirrels that got in to a little cubby closet that was off the main closet. Also used to think someone was looking in the bedroom window. My bedroom was on the second floor. They would have had to climb the tv antenna to look in. Sometimes I think it's just our mind playing tricks. Like when you stare at something that can't move. But if you stare long enough, you could swear it moved. Maybe once spooked by a little noise of some kind, our mind then plays tricks. I guess if there were really ghost, with all the times people swear they have them, there would be some kind of proof, proof you could believe. If you want to believe it bad enough you will see or hear it. Like the Virgin Mary that people in Chicago swear is in a stain of some sort under the viaduct. OMG, this was like five years ago or more and people still go there and lay flowers and candles.i guess if you want to see it, you will. IDK, still don't really believe.
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