terryo said:I NEVER get involved with these angry debates, and I'm sure this one will turn out to be one of them, but I just have to comment on this thread.
I think this is a ridiculous thread too, and I don't think it has anything to do with the "experiment" at all.......unfortunately.
I notice that groups are starting to form here, and I think it's very sad. Sometimes I read the threads from when the forum just started, and I see how everyone was so friendly and had a common goal. Now, the debate section has turned into a school yard. Remember when you were a little kid, and there were groups in the school yard, each wispering about the other group? Very sad.
I absolutely agree with Maggie and Yvonne's post. I think it's fun to watch the torts grow and see how people are doing things differently in different parts of the country. As long as the tortoises are getting the best care, and they are, what is the harm in calling it an experiment?
stells said:The thing that bugs me the most about these... is they are posted up straight away... before the person doing the "experiment" knows it is going to work... which potentially could land tortoises in trouble... i did mention that in my original post
stells said:... but the same could be said about other pets... but you don't see us "experimenting" on our domesticated animals... because that would be seen as cruelty...
stells said:I also as stated before i know that these "experiments" are going to take some time... but if people are truely dedicated to it and weren't so bothered about earning brownie points... the time scale wouldn't be an issue...
stells said:As humans we have a mind of our own... and a voice of our own to agree... on being experimented on
stells said:... but i'm guessing you wouldn't see a typed up report about it when that experiment was ongoing... you would hear about it... but wouldn't have all the data until the experiment had reached its conclusion...
stells said:Thanks for making me think about it all a little more Jacqui... its certainly given me a few idea's
yagyujubei said:ex·per·i·mentNOUN
ex·per·i·ments plural
1. scientific test: a test, especially a scientific one, carried out in order to discover whether a theory is correct or what the results of a particular course of action would be
"a chemistry experiment"
2. doing something new: an attempt to do something new or to see what will happen
"switching to decaf as an experiment"
3. use of repeated tests and trials: the use of tests and trials in order to make discoveries
"developed the protocol by experiment"
INTRANSITIVE VERB
ex·per·i·ment·ed past and past participle
ex·per·i·ment·ing present participle
ex·per·i·ments 3rd person present singular
1. try new things: to try out new methods of doing or using things
"a reluctance to experiment with new ingredients"
2. science carry out scientific test: to carry out a scientific test of a theory or process
[ 14th century. Directly or via Old French < Latin experimentum "trial, test" < experiri "try out" ]
ex·per·i·men·ta·tion NOUN
ex·per·i·ment·er NOUN
Thesaurus
NOUN
Synonyms: trial, test, research, experimentation, tryout
VERB
Synonyms: test, try out, investigate, try, trial
Translations
exoticsdr said:Yag to the rescue! Thank you for the definitions...+1
This is "stir-the-pot" thread if I've ever seen one and for no other reason to try to get under the skin of a well respected member because of the semantics of a posting and the "cherry picking" of the definition of a word to fit a idiotic agenda....but this is just my humble opinion.
yagyujubei said:ex·per·i·mentNOUN
ex·per·i·ments plural
1. scientific test: a test, especially a scientific one, carried out in order to discover whether a theory is correct or what the results of a particular course of action would be
"a chemistry experiment"
2. doing something new: an attempt to do something new or to see what will happen
"switching to decaf as an experiment"
3. use of repeated tests and trials: the use of tests and trials in order to make discoveries
"developed the protocol by experiment"
INTRANSITIVE VERB
ex·per·i·ment·ed past and past participle
ex·per·i·ment·ing present participle
ex·per·i·ments 3rd person present singular
1. try new things: to try out new methods of doing or using things
"a reluctance to experiment with new ingredients"
2. science carry out scientific test: to carry out a scientific test of a theory or process
[ 14th century. Directly or via Old French < Latin experimentum "trial, test" < experiri "try out" ]
ex·per·i·men·ta·tion NOUN
ex·per·i·ment·er NOUN
Thesaurus
NOUN
Synonyms: trial, test, research, experimentation, tryout
VERB
Synonyms: test, try out, investigate, try, trial
Translations
stells said:Flea treatments... brands of food... etc have all been tried and tested before they go on the market... so the experimenting has already been done... trying an already tried and testing product is more down to preference of a marketed product... and which you prefer... not experimentation...
I don't experiment on my children... i have thought about it... but fear the authorities might have something to say about that Children certainly have rights too... the court case where one divorced her parents springs to mind...
I can do friendly... i think my English dry humour must just come across as wrong to alot of people here Its certainly easier than a barrage of unfriendly comments which i have fallen victim to in the past...