Just got some cactus pads, spineless from eBay seller "shukplace" buy two pads get one free, plus free shipping. I got a 11x9x6 medium flat rate box chucked full of cactus pads. Now the only thing I didn't like about them is that they were not whole pads, but pieces of very large pads. I am sure the free shipping is the reason for cutting them down to fit into the box. Way more than I could use. However I am trying to freeze some, plant some, in both dirty and just water to get started and also chopped and grated some. The proceeds are suppose to go to a dog rescue. I think this is a great buy for someone with lots of torts or large torts. Check it out. My final cost was $15.80. I think it was a good buy, as long as I can get them to last long enough, or grow.