Global warming and the 'doomsday' glacier

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Its almost like they are trying to sensationalize things and make it seem worse than it really is. As if they are exaggerating and making stuff up to push an agenda or further a narrative... Hmmm...
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Boulder had its 1000 yr flood in the fall of 2013. It went on for a couple of weeks. The creek in a subdivision near us that overflowed has been completely redug & redirected. And a newscaster no longe The town of Lyons is rebuilt. The hueys stopped flying over my house dropping off the stranded or flooded, and there has been no major flooding since.

I am grateful for everything I have. I have lived thru tornados, floods, blizzards, & just about everything but a major hurricane (wind but not the tropical rain). I don't see every weather event as being "climate change" just because a "journalist" says they've always lived in an area they claim was never before

Its almost like they are trying to sensationalize things and make it seem worse than it really is. As if they are exaggerating and making stuff up to push an agenda or further a narrative... Hmmm...
I've already cited some of the plentiful research about conspiracy theories. A clear, sunlit sky looks like a smooth blue surface, but we have learned that it is not. F*acebook groups say that tortoises pyramid because of diet and too much water, but that's now demonstrably untrue.

Just saying that you perceive (or have been told about) a correlation between what journalists and *certain other people* say does not make it so...your brain sees a correlation, your social circle reinforces the belief, and social media algorithms are engineered to make you think that's all anyone's talking about.

When a scientist sees a correlation, they investigate to see if there is actually a close, interactive/interdependent relationship between the alleged correlates; or if it is a coincidence; or an illusion. They find out who else in the world is investigating the correlation and compare their observations. To the best of their ability, they design analytical algorithms that screen out their personal biases.

You have not cited any actual data to support the conspiracy theory, you just keep repeating the rhetoric. You have not cited any actual data to refute that climate change is accelerating under the pressure of human culture and behavior.

@Jan A you live with a Redfoot - a species that requires a lot of research and concentration. You are certainly smart enough to investigate man-made climate change. There is a lot of research - which I have cited - which has not been refuted here with any verifiable data.

Scientists have been showing their work on the subject since Rachel Carson (she was attacked by conspiracy theorists in her time, so the routine is not exactly new).

Anthropogenic climate change is a legitimate area of study. It's not quackery. Everyone who has posted to this thread is more than smart enough to dig through the 100 years worth of data. When someone comes to differing conclusions about a collection of data points, go ahead and specifically demonstrate why.

Viable, situationally appropriate, lasting solutions only arise from understanding the reality, and those solutions will be slow in coming while half the people in the country cover their eyes and refuse to understand why tortoises pyramid.

 

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I've already cited some of the plentiful research about conspiracy theories. A clear, sunlit sky looks like a smooth blue surface, but we have learned that it is not. F*acebook groups say that tortoises pyramid because of diet and too much water, but that's now demonstrably untrue.

Just saying that you perceive (or have been told about) a correlation between what journalists and *certain other people* say does not make it so...your brain sees a correlation, your social circle reinforces the belief, and social media algorithms are engineered to make you think that's all anyone's talking about.

When a scientist sees a correlation, they investigate to see if there is actually a close, interactive/interdependent relationship between the alleged correlates; or if it is a coincidence; or an illusion. They find out who else in the world is investigating the correlation and compare their observations. To the best of their ability, they design analytical algorithms that screen out their personal biases.

You have not cited any actual data to support the conspiracy theory, you just keep repeating the rhetoric. You have not cited any actual data to refute that climate change is accelerating under the pressure of human culture and behavior.

@Jan A you live with a Redfoot - a species that requires a lot of research and concentration. You are certainly smart enough to investigate man-made climate change. There is a lot of research - which I have cited - which has not been refuted here with any verifiable data.

Scientists have been showing their work on the subject since Rachel Carson (she was attacked by conspiracy theorists in her time, so the routine is not exactly new).

Anthropogenic climate change is a legitimate area of study. It's not quackery. Everyone who has posted to this thread is more than smart enough to dig through the 100 years worth of data. When someone comes to differing conclusions about a collection of data points, go ahead and specifically demonstrate why.

Viable, situationally appropriate, lasting solutions only arise from understanding the reality, and those solutions will be slow in coming while half the people in the country cover their eyes and refuse to understand why tortoises pyramid.

First of all, why do I have to cite sources for my OWN observations & experiences in times of extreme weather?

Second, a former Dean of Metereology at I believe the University of Georgia resigned her position BECAUSE the Federal GoGov
 

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Hm-m-m. . . we may have to put this subject in the religion/politics category. If you all can keep it friendly we can keep it open.
 

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First of all, why do I have to cite sources for my OWN observations & experiences in times of extreme weather?

Second, a former Dean of Metereology at I believe the University of Georgia resigned her position BECAUSE the Federal GoGov
Government told her her entire dept would lose future federal go
 

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First of all, why do I have to cite sources for my OWN observations & experiences in times of extreme weather?

Second, a former Dean of Metereology at I believe the University of Georgia resigned her position BECAUSE the Federal GoGov
Government told her her entire dept would lose future federal grant money if her computer models didn't conclude there was global warming or climate change. It was an interview on the radio, about 2015 or 2016.

Third, I reviewed, edited articles on computer modeling with respect
 

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I've already cited some of the plentiful research about conspiracy theories. A clear, sunlit sky looks like a smooth blue surface, but we have learned that it is not. F*acebook groups say that tortoises pyramid because of diet and too much water, but that's now demonstrably untrue.

Just saying that you perceive (or have been told about) a correlation between what journalists and *certain other people* say does not make it so...your brain sees a correlation, your social circle reinforces the belief, and social media algorithms are engineered to make you think that's all anyone's talking about.

When a scientist sees a correlation, they investigate to see if there is actually a close, interactive/interdependent relationship between the alleged correlates; or if it is a coincidence; or an illusion. They find out who else in the world is investigating the correlation and compare their observations. To the best of their ability, they design analytical algorithms that screen out their personal biases.

You have not cited any actual data to support the conspiracy theory, you just keep repeating the rhetoric. You have not cited any actual data to refute that climate change is accelerating under the pressure of human culture and behavior.

@Jan A you live with a Redfoot - a species that requires a lot of research and concentration. You are certainly smart enough to investigate man-made climate change. There is a lot of research - which I have cited - which has not been refuted here with any verifiable data.

Scientists have been showing their work on the subject since Rachel Carson (she was attacked by conspiracy theorists in her time, so the routine is not exactly new).

Anthropogenic climate change is a legitimate area of study. It's not quackery. Everyone who has posted to this thread is more than smart enough to dig through the 100 years worth of data. When someone comes to differing conclusions about a collection of data points, go ahead and specifically demonstrate why.

Viable, situationally appropriate, lasting solutions only arise from understanding the reality, and those solutions will be slow in coming while half the people in the country cover their eyes and refuse to understand why tortoises pyramid.

I am not a better citation finder than you. Never will be. Don't care to be. Not something I'm going to spend time on. I know what I know and I've seen what I've seen. If you wanted to, you could find just as many citations from scientists refuting your assertions as you wanted. There are people like you on the other side of this argument that do just that. I'm not one of them. People who are intelligent and choose to spend hours of their time searching out scientific evidence and sifting through it all. The problem is that there has been too much lying. To much falsifying of data and evidence. They've been caught too many times. The only way to know that evidence is real and not "junk science" is to collect and compile the data yourself. I know what works for pyramiding and what does't because I've done the research and data compilation myself, and observed the results of others. There is no one for me to cite. Its original info.

I'm not anti-science. Quite the opposite. My problem is that evidence has been falsified, and this has been publicly admitted. I read it and saw it. Don't ask me to cite it. It was years ago. We keep hearing "follow the science" about covid related information, yet they keep changing their story. Its absurd. If your premise is that these scientists are believable and their information is accurate, then you are not paying attention to the world around you, and you have fallen for their BS. You are not alone.
 

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I am having trouble typing because of a splint on my finger.

My personal employment under contract at NOAA exposed me to computer modeling articles in forecasting future weather conditions. It was clear that manipulating the numbers could lead you to ANY conclusion you wanted concerning future weather events, global warming, etc.

Fourth, the whole pupose of the Paris Climate Accords was to commit the U.S. to pay other countries billions of dollar & enact stricter emissions numbers in the U.S. while China & India, the worst world polluters, got NO edict but got U.S. money.

In the 80's, Reebok paid a study group to review it's aerobic shoes & other fitness equipment when compared to rivals' shoes & equipment. Guess what they concluded: Reebok's shoes & fitness equipment was superior to their rivals'.

Sixth, when you have search engines that are rigged to look only at research proving climate change or global warming & to not pull up other criticism or discourse, your research is incomplete & biased.

And again i'm back to If politicians & elites truly believed shorelines were going to recede drastically because of climate change or global warming, they wouldn't be buying or building mansions on beach front property.
 
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i don't think the disagreement is whether or not climate change is real ???? or needs adressed , it's being irrational over it ..... they didn't need to make incandescent lights illegal in ohio to get me to buy LED's , it just needed to make sense . folks are making money and getting power off of climate change ..... both of which are responsible for a lot of dishonesty in life ......

the paris agreement was made in 2015 ?in 2015 china emitted (9.85 billion tons co2) , in 2020 (10.67 billion tons co2 ) ...... united states 2015 (5.37 billion tons co2) , 2020 (4.7 billion tons co2 ) ..........i believe there are countries using climate change to make money and gain power , but i'm pretty cynical ..... i believe china is still considered a "developing" country ?????? the real disagreement has absolutely nothing to do with science ...it has to do with what were doing about it ... we should pay someone to crush our economy ? transfer our technology , and pay reparations to countries who will benefit from our failure ? or should we do our part in our country and other countries do their part within their countries ? kinda like taking responsibility for themselves ........
the graph is by the smithsonian , provided by the noaa , i believe we're supposed to have had 4-5 ice ages ? and i'd guess one more than that warming events ? i believe i had read that as the glaciers receded the less ice cover on the earth the faster they receded ...... i'm going to assume that means temperature rise became faster as the glaciers disappeared ?

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Hm-m-m. . . we may have to put this subject in the religion/politics category. If you all can keep it friendly we can keep it open.
i'm agnostic , hoping for the best ......
 

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Wow, this is by far the best NICE OT discussions I've read here.

KMA club= It is the state of mind achieved when you get old enough and financially "whole" enough to be able to tell your boss to kiss your tush....knowing, yeah...you CAN stop working if you choose. A great club to be in!
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