Abe97

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I've had my Greek tort for close to 13 years now, its turning 16 in a month. I live in Canada, so the weather gets really cold at times, but at the moment it isn't super cold out yet (ranging from 15-20 degrees C). Turtle (my tort's name), has a fairly large enclosure with ReptiBark bedding. The enclosure is fixed with a basking lamp and a UVB lamp.

As for food, I give Turtle Spring Mix (advice from local reptile shop) from the grocery store as it's nearly impossible to find edible Succulents/Cacti or edible wild flowers where I live (Quebec). I found succulents at the farmers market, but the farmers couldn't guarantee that they weren't grown with pesticides. As for variety, I add carrot shavings, cucumber, lettuce, and occasionally apples, bananas and oranges.

Lately, Turtle just walks all over the Spring Mix and doesn't consider it food anymore unless I trick him into taking a bite. Turtle is very active, surprisingly. He's always running around and I let him out of his enclosure to explore my apartment when he gets too rowdy in his enclosure (roommate has a rabbit and Turtle and the rabbit are best friends). He barely drinks water as well, he only ever walks all over the water dish and I rarely see his take a drink. I change his water dish every day and I let him soak in water in the tub once or twice a week. He also does this thing where he tries really hard to eat my toes or my fingers which he thinks is food. That's the only time when I can tell how hungry he is and I try to feed him without much luck.

I'm worried he's under weight even though he's active. I'm also worried as to the way he walks around. He occasionally holds himself up with his front legs without trouble but mostly drags his shell around without holding himself up. I've been looking for a reptile specialist near where I live and there aren't any at all. I spoke to local vets and they said that if I needed a checkup I'd have to go to the local exotic animal vet hospital (which don't particularly specialise in reptiles at all and mostly birds).

All in all, my Tort has been through a lot over the years, I received him as a child and had to learn a lot over the years and my because of my ignorance, he had to suffer. He's doing much better now, but this has been a reoccurring problem over the years, and he always bounced back, but this is the worst I've seen so far, he takes one nibble at his food and ignores it until it goes bad.

I need advice :( I'm worried for Turtle and want him to have an easy hibernation period this year.
 

Abe97

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Turtle eating his not-so-favourite Spring Mix while enclosure is being cleaned:
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fNgaGG

Holding himself up for a bite of Spinach:
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..I meant a bite of my fingers:
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Exploring the new apartment:
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Plastron picture:
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Using his water dish his own way even after a bath:
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Enclosure:
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Hello and welcome


I've had my Greek tort for close to 13 years now, its turning 16 in a month. I live in Canada, so the weather gets really cold at times, but at the moment it isn't super cold out yet (ranging from 15-20 degrees C). Turtle (my tort's name), has a fairly large enclosure with ReptiBark bedding. The enclosure is fixed with a basking lamp and a UVB lamp.
Is your tort kept indoors or out? Photos will help us to help you
As for food, I give Turtle Spring Mix (advice from local reptile shop) from the grocery store as it's nearly impossible to find edible Succulents/Cacti or edible wild flowers where I live (Quebec). I found succulents at the farmers market, but the farmers couldn't guarantee that they weren't grown with pesticides. As for variety, I add carrot shavings, cucumber, lettuce, and occasionally apples, bananas and oranges.
Greeks cannot digest sigars properly - they cause digestive and kidney problems - so sweet foods like fruit, bell pepper, cartot and tomato should only be fed very sparingly and very occasionally - if at all. Banana is far too sweet and must never be fed.

Your tort's diet is weedy leafy greens. Look up the greens you can pick and those that you can buy on The Tortoise Table Plant Database for suitability http://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/

In the winter months l, when weeds are scarce, few of us manage without a good quality pellet feed like Mazuri to supplement. This is far preferable tobribing with sugary foods
Lately, Turtle just walks all over the Spring Mix and doesn't consider it food anymore unless I trick him into taking a bite. Turtle is very active, surprisingly. He's always running around and I let him out of his enclosure to explore my apartment when he gets too rowdy in his enclosure (roommate has a rabbit and Turtle and the rabbit are best friends). He barely drinks water as well, he only ever walks all over the water dish and I rarely see his take a drink. I change his water dish every day and I let him soak in water in the tub once or twice a week. He also does this thing where he tries really hard to eat my toes or my fingers which he thinks is food. That's the only time when I can tell how hungry he is and I try to feed him without much luck.
To encourage activity when the days are shortening you must make sure the lighting is very bright and on for at leadt 12 hours... you may need a fluorescent tibe to boost the light levels.

You also need to double check the 4 temperatures: warm side, cool side, directly under the basking lamp and overnight minimum.
I'm worried he's under weight even though he's active. I'm also worried as to the way he walks around. He occasionally holds himself up with his front legs without trouble but mostly drags his shell around without holding himself up. I've been looking for a reptile specialist near where I live and there aren't any at all. I spoke to local vets and they said that if I needed a checkup I'd have to go to the local exotic animal vet hospital (which don't particularly specialise in reptiles at all and mostly birds).
Measure the length of your tort like this
http://www.tlady.clara.net/measure.htm

Weigh it.

If it weighs more than 500g then consult the Jackson Ratio to see if your Greek is a healthy weight http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/171.asp

When did you last change your UVB bulb? A tortoise dragging itself may be suffering from Metabolic Bone Disease (MBD) - a lack of UVB and contributes to poor uptake of dietary calcium.

It could also be a temperature problem though.
All in all, my Tort has been through a lot over the years, I received him as a child and had to learn a lot over the years and my because of my ignorance, he had to suffer. He's doing much better now, but this has been a reoccurring problem over the years, and he always bounced back, but this is the worst I've seen so far, he takes one nibble at his food and ignores it until it goes bad.

I need advice :( I'm worried for Turtle and want him to have an easy hibernation period this year.

I hope my advice helps. Photos of the enclosure and lighting will help us to help you.
 

JoesMum

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In the meantime I see phptos. Your enclosure is very dry.

I recommend you read the TFO care guides if you haven't already

They're written by species experts working hard to correct the outdated information widely available on the internet and from pet stores and, sadly, from some breeders and vets too.

Beginner Mistakes
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/


Russian Tortoise Care (Care of Greeks is very similar)
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/russian-tortoise-care-sheet.80698/
 

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Welcome! We’re glad you’re here and willing to ask questions.

A tortoise that is dragging its hind legs needs help.

You’ve got good advice on setup and diet here from joesmum but I suggest you make a thread in the health section; both for advice and also to see if anyone can help you find a good vet.
 

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