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I've been nervous to post this, but I just want my tortoise to get all the care he needs.

Hello, I am Dominique, and I am 13 years old. I got Sneem (weird name, I know :p) when I was 9 years old in the fall of 2020. I love him to death, but he has been mistreated and neglected in the 4 years I've had him.

He used to be kept in the small glass tank that my dad got from the pet store. I have moved him to a larger enclosure, although I don't think that it's large enough for him. Here's the Amazon link to the enclosure:

The temperatures in his enclosure are 72-74 degrees Farenheit outside of his basking lamp, and somewhere around 90-100 degrees by his basking lamp. Sneem also has a UV light.

I never realized that Sneem's enclosure should be cleaned once every month. I was told, "who cleans his cage in the wild?" and would only clean his cage every couple (2-5) months.

Sneem has never left his cage unless it is to get a soak, which I give him every 1-2 weeks and is 10-30 minutes long. He is scrubbed with a soft-bristle toothbrush. I know that this is not enough, and I feel terrible for being so lazy. He used to be bathed every day or every couple of days until my nanny left in 2022. I would like to take him outside and have been asking him about getting an outdoor pen, and while my dad says it is a good idea I am still yet to get one.

Worst of all is probably his food situation. For a while, he only ate iceberg and romaine lettuce. I didn't know that this wasn't good for them, so now he eats romaine, collard greens, and other vegetables I can find at the grocery store (I'm blanking on exact names, we got a spring mix packet last week if it helps). On school days, I feed Sneem at 6:00-7:00 AM and I give him a pile of food the size of his shell. Sometimes I'll be rushing to school and forget to feed him, resulting in him sometimes eating only 5 days a week. I am unsure if this is okay, and I feed him extra the next day. On weekends, I wake up late or get terribly lazy and feed him at around 9:00-10:00 AM. On days that I wake up late or fall under the excuse of "I'll do it in a bit," he is fed at 11:00-12:00, and sometimes even 1 PM. I have been trying to be more diligent with feeding Sneem and have been feeding him at 9:00-10:00 AM more often. His food plate (a charcuterie board, I don't know why he eats off of a charcuterie board but my dad placed it in his cage when we first got him and I never had a reason to change it) tends to get covered in feces, pee, and urates. I don't know why, but I won't clean it the second I see waste on it. Sometimes I'll tell myself "It's not that dirty, I'll clean it tomorrow or something" and end up cleaning it only when it is caked with feces. Thankfully, he normally doesn't eat off of his food bowl and I either hand feed him or place his food by his basking light. A couple days ago this happened. I feel rotten :( I am trying to be more diligent with cleaning his food bowl.

I am mad at myself for neglecting Sneem, and also mad that my parents would get me a tortoise without the proper research. I know that they meant well and just wanted me to be happy, but a couple online searches and they would have found out that the information the pet store gave us was actually harmful for my tortoise. I feel like a lot of this could have been prevented if they helped out more (I am the only one who cares for Sneem now, my dad and nanny used to help but now it's just me) and knew more about taking care of Russian Tortoises.

I posted a shortened version of this anonymously in a venting channel on Discord and was told that I have been neglecting and abusing Sneem and that I should either fix things up or rehome him because "this is just sad." It has served as a wake-up call but since I saw that post, I have been feeling incredibly guilty, sad, and empty. It's made it a bit hard to focus in school and even before the posts I would get pangs of guilt that would make me unable to focus well. My parents tell me that it's fine and that I've been trying my best, but I feel like they should also be researching on Russian tortoises.

Please tell me what I should fix. Your replies will really help out.

Bonus photos of Sneem:
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Sorry that there aren't too many photos, I do not have too many photos of him. I have a couple of videos of him eating and things like that, but it's on my phone.
 
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Well, my heart goes out to you and Sneem! Thank goodness you're here now on the Forum. Yes, you've done things wrong, but it's never too late to make it right. Read our care sheet to see where you went wrong.

It's much easier to care for them in the appropriate sized outdoor enclosure. Is that possible?

Welcome to the Forum! We're happy to help.
 

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Forget all the info you have found outside this forum. The info here is correct and up to date.
Yes, you have not done right by him but at the age you were when you got him, it's understandable and really your parents should have stepped in to be sure he was taken care of properly. That's how kids learn, by parents being sure it's done.
He does need a bigger enclosure. 4x8 foot minimum inside and hopefully bigger outside. He should be allowed to live outside during warm months of you have a yard available.
Feed him every day enough to last him the whole day to graze off and on. Have a low sided clay saucer for water available 24/7. He doesn't need soaking but a couple times a month, more if he never uses his water dish. He doesn't have to be scrubbed. The enclosure only needs to be spot clean, not thoroughly cleaned out.
Use grocery greens of arugula, escarole, endive, cactus pads, dandelion, riddichio. The spring mix and romaine is fine if you add better greens and tortoise safe weeds.
A clearer pic of his face would help. His beak may need some trimming but hard to tell in the pics you posted.
 

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Welcome to the forum. It's so wonderful that you are asking for help. I personally had a turtle at your age (before computers) and I didn't care for her to the best of my abilities. I learned and so will you. So happy you reached out to the forum. Sneem is a very good looking tortoise.
 

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I've been nervous to post this, but I just want my tortoise to get all the care he needs.

Hello, I am Dominique, and I am 13 years old. I got Sneem (weird name, I know :p) when I was 9 years old in the fall of 2020. I love him to death, but he has been mistreated and neglected in the 4 years I've had him.

He used to be kept in the small glass tank that my dad got from the pet store. I have moved him to a larger enclosure, although I don't think that it's large enough for him. Here's the Amazon link to the enclosure:

The temperatures in his enclosure are 72-74 degrees Farenheit outside of his basking lamp, and somewhere around 90-100 degrees by his basking lamp. Sneem also has a UV light.

I never realized that Sneem's enclosure should be cleaned once every month. I was told, "who cleans his cage in the wild?" and would only clean his cage every couple (2-5) months.

Sneem has never left his cage unless it is to get a soak, which I give him every 1-2 weeks and is 10-30 minutes long. He is scrubbed with a soft-bristle toothbrush. I know that this is not enough, and I feel terrible for being so lazy. He used to be bathed every day or every couple of days until my nanny left in 2022. I would like to take him outside and have been asking him about getting an outdoor pen, and while my dad says it is a good idea I am still yet to get one.

Worst of all is probably his food situation. For a while, he only ate iceberg and romaine lettuce. I didn't know that this wasn't good for them, so now he eats romaine, collard greens, and other vegetables I can find at the grocery store (I'm blanking on exact names, we got a spring mix packet last week if it helps). On school days, I feed Sneem at 6:00-7:00 AM and I give him a pile of food the size of his shell. Sometimes I'll be rushing to school and forget to feed him, resulting in him sometimes eating only 5 days a week. I am unsure if this is okay, and I feed him extra the next day. On weekends, I wake up late or get terribly lazy and feed him at around 9:00-10:00 AM. On days that I wake up late or fall under the excuse of "I'll do it in a bit," he is fed at 11:00-12:00, and sometimes even 1 PM. I have been trying to be more diligent with feeding Sneem and have been feeding him at 9:00-10:00 AM more often. His food plate (a charcuterie board, I don't know why he eats off of a charcuterie board but my dad placed it in his cage when we first got him and I never had a reason to change it) tends to get covered in feces, pee, and urates. I don't know why, but I won't clean it the second I see waste on it. Sometimes I'll tell myself "It's not that dirty, I'll clean it tomorrow or something" and end up cleaning it only when it is caked with feces. Thankfully, he normally doesn't eat off of his food bowl and I either hand feed him or place his food by his basking light. A couple days ago this happened. I feel rotten :( I am trying to be more diligent with cleaning his food bowl.

I am mad at myself for neglecting Sneem, and also mad that my parents would get me a tortoise without the proper research. I know that they meant well and just wanted me to be happy, but a couple online searches and they would have found out that the information the pet store gave us was actually harmful for my tortoise. I feel like a lot of this could have been prevented if they helped out more (I am the only one who cares for Sneem now, my dad and nanny used to help but now it's just me) and knew more about taking care of Russian Tortoises.

I posted a shortened version of this anonymously in a venting channel on Discord and was told that I have been neglecting and abusing Sneem and that I should either fix things up or rehome him because "this is just sad." It has served as a wake-up call but since I saw that post, I have been feeling incredibly guilty, sad, and empty. It's made it a bit hard to focus in school and even before the posts I would get pangs of guilt that would make me unable to focus well. My parents tell me that it's fine and that I've been trying my best, but I feel like they should also be researching on Russian tortoises.

Please tell me what I should fix. Your replies will really help out.

Bonus photos of Sneem:
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Sorry that there aren't too many photos, I do not have too many photos of him. I have a couple of videos of him eating and things like that, but it's on my phone.
Nobody is perfect. Nobody is born knowing all of these things. All of us can improve and do better. It's great that you are here and want to learn how to do better, and you really haven't done all that bad. Feel free to ask questions. We are all here to talk about tortoises. All day and all night. We have members all over the world you can talk about tortoises with.

These two threads should help get you started. Read each one at least two times. Write down your questions as you go. We will help you.

 

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It takes a mature person to admit when your wrong, I have a feeling your on the right track now. You will get great advice and answers to any questions you have, ask anything, anything you want to know about or answered. You get a lot of respect for being able to admit and learn, Right on for you.
 

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I pretty proud of you to open up like that and for finding this forum. I don't think my 13 yr old would be able to find the proper information for care. Good for you, now it's time to do things right. If your parents are willing to help out that would be even better.
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum!🐢💚

You should be very proud of yourself for coming here and opening up about your situation, for 13 years old, that’s very mature of you!

I would recommend soaks at least once a week, because I can’t help but notice some of his skin does look quite pale in that second photo, I imagine he’s potentially dehydrated, especially if there’s no level of humidity being maintained, not that his species need it high, but they shouldn’t be bone dry either. Do you ever notice gritty Urates? Kind of looks like crumpled up chalk.

I think as well as Toms threads, you’ll find this one I made a useful read, I go over correct equipment, levels, sizing, appropriately maintaining humidity, there’s lots of visual examples and a good diet link to check out! He needs much more variety🙂

This one is also good to familiarise yourself with, it’ll help you avoid the wrong bulbs, substrates, housing etc, you can always double check anything you’re buying for him here first!

Now all this said, we as members understand you’re very young, and if your parents aren’t willing to step up and help you buy all the things your tortoise needs to thrive, that you may find it difficult getting a needed upgrade done, especially if they say spacing is an issue. There are ways to combat this, building multiple levels for example, providing the ramp is safe and the incline not steep, some even build ‘L’ shape enclosures. Again because you’re young, you’re likely going to need support building something, if you’re lacking in family support, we are happy to keep discussing further how to help you tortoise within the means you have, even if that’s just getting your lighting right and improving diet for the time being. If realistically he’s not going to be able to be provided with an appropriate sized enclosure for years to come, you might have to have a think about what is best for Sneem long term, which may possibly be a rehome, obviously none of us want that for you and will do everything possible to help advise you on giving him everything he needs, but I did just want to put it out there as this is understandably a tricky situation and I’m sure you want what’s best for him, that’s very clear from your post and coming here❤️
 

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Welcome to the forum, you have gotten some good advice already! You were just a child when you got Sneem, so don't blame yourself.

If you figure out how to send some more pictures, I would like to see a closer picture of the beak. It might need a trim after eating only soft foods.

I wish you and Sneem the best of luck!
 

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Well, my heart goes out to you and Sneem! Thank goodness you're here now on the Forum. Yes, you've done things wrong, but it's never too late to make it right. Read our care sheet to see where you went wrong.

It's much easier to care for them in the appropriate sized outdoor enclosure. Is that possible?

Welcome to the Forum! We're happy to help.
Thank you for the kind words! I’m not sure if I can keep him outside…winters get very cold and I’d hate to have Sneem freeze during a snowstorm. I MIGHT be able to keep him outside during summer and spring (temperatures reach 70-90 degrees then), but my family likes to vacation then, sometimes for over a month. Currently, neighbors come by my house and feed/soak him when I’m gone, but leaving Sneem outside with deer and other animals scares me.
 
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What part of Ohio are you in? We have some members who may have similar temps to you and can give you guidance.

But I do agree with the above that your parents probably also need to take a role in helping make sure he gets the care he needs
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum!🐢💚

You should be very proud of yourself for coming here and opening up about your situation, for 13 years old, that’s very mature of you!

I would recommend soaks at least once a week, because I can’t help but notice some of his skin does look quite pale in that second photo, I imagine he’s potentially dehydrated, especially if there’s no level of humidity being maintained, not that his species need it high, but they shouldn’t be bone dry either. Do you ever notice gritty Urates? Kind of looks like crumpled up chalk.

I think as well as Toms threads, you’ll find this one I made a useful read, I go over correct equipment, levels, sizing, appropriately maintaining humidity, there’s lots of visual examples and a good diet link to check out! He needs much more variety🙂

This one is also good to familiarise yourself with, it’ll help you avoid the wrong bulbs, substrates, housing etc, you can always double check anything you’re buying for him here first!

Now all this said, we as members understand you’re very young, and if your parents aren’t willing to step up and help you buy all the things your tortoise needs to thrive, that you may find it difficult getting a needed upgrade done, especially if they say spacing is an issue. There are ways to combat this, building multiple levels for example, providing the ramp is safe and the incline not steep, some even build ‘L’ shape enclosures. Again because you’re young, you’re likely going to need support building something, if you’re lacking in family support, we are happy to keep discussing further how to help you tortoise within the means you have, even if that’s just getting your lighting right and improving diet for the time being. If realistically he’s not going to be able to be provided with an appropriate sized enclosure for years to come, you might have to have a think about what is best for Sneem long term, which may possibly be a rehome, obviously none of us want that for you and will do everything possible to help advise you on giving him everything he needs, but I did just want to put it out there as this is understandably a tricky situation and I’m sure you want what’s best for him, that’s very clear from your post and coming here❤️
Thanks for your nice words 😊
Sneem’s urates are liquid, and I’ve never noticed them being chalky. Sneem also has a water bowl, although I never see him use it (but I find it dirty every couple days). Also, I’ll speak to my parents about getting a larger enclosure. My dad would be more than happy to sort something out (he’s the one who’s helped me put together all the enclosures Sneem’s been in). If we unfortunately can’t sort things out, I will try to rehome Sneem. As much as I want him to stay with me, I love him and it would be cruel of me to keep him in a small enclosure. Again, thanks for the nice words!
 

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What part of Ohio are you in? We have some members who may have similar temps to you and can give you guidance.

But I do agree with the above that your parents probably also need to take a role in helping make sure he gets the care he needs
I live in Cincinnati. I’ll ask my parents for extra help, and if I’m feeling courageous enough I might even show them this thread.
 
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Thanks for your nice words 😊
Sneem’s urates are liquid, and I’ve never noticed them being chalky. Sneem also has a water bowl, although I never see him use it (but I find it dirty every couple days). Also, I’ll speak to my parents about getting a larger enclosure. My dad would be more than happy to sort something out (he’s the one who’s helped me put together all the enclosures Sneem’s been in). If we unfortunately can’t sort things out, I will try to rehome Sneem. As much as I want him to stay with me, I love him and it would be cruel of me to keep him in a small enclosure. Again, thanks for the nice words!
No problem at all! That’s good to hear, sounds like he’s definitely using it, we rarely see ours actually go up to it, but it’s dirtied everyday lol.
Yes it would definitely be good to get at least one of your folks on board with helping you, I think showing them the forum would actually be a really good idea, your dad might find it more of an exciting project if he stars looking through threads for inspiration😁it’ll encourage him to ask his own questions too which we’re all happy to help answer😊
If worst does ever come to worse, there’s actually an adoption section on here you can post on, just be wary of new members asking about him, sometimes people are out to try and flog a free tortoise
 

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Forget all the info you have found outside this forum. The info here is correct and up to date.
Yes, you have not done right by him but at the age you were when you got him, it's understandable and really your parents should have stepped in to be sure he was taken care of properly. That's how kids learn, by parents being sure it's done.
He does need a bigger enclosure. 4x8 foot minimum inside and hopefully bigger outside. He should be allowed to live outside during warm months of you have a yard available.
Feed him every day enough to last him the whole day to graze off and on. Have a low sided clay saucer for water available 24/7. He doesn't need soaking but a couple times a month, more if he never uses his water dish. He doesn't have to be scrubbed. The enclosure only needs to be spot clean, not thoroughly cleaned out.
Use grocery greens of arugula, escarole, endive, cactus pads, dandelion, riddichio. The spring mix and romaine is fine if you add better greens and tortoise safe weeds.
A clearer pic of his face would help. His beak may need some trimming but hard to tell in the pics you posted.
Thank you! He does have a water bowl, and I don’t see him use it (besides the time I found him flipped over on it- how do tortoises do that??) but every day or two I have to replace the water because it gets dirty.
This is his beak- looking at it now, it seems a bit overgrown to me, but I’ll let you decide.IMG_3737.jpeg
 

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Congratulations for being so brave and admitting you haven't given Sneem a very good life so far. If you can manage to improve his life gradually, and be aware of what still needs to be done, you will find he becomes better all the time, and you will be able to build a happy relationship with him, which will be lovely for you both. And keep in touch with this forum - as you will have realised already, people here understand your difficulties, and will offer encouragement rather than criticism, so they will be looking forward to watching his progress. I hope you will able to feel you can carry on caring for him - a friendly, healthy , happy little tortoise is a wonderful companion . I know that from my own experience -Zola is 24 now, and gets more endearing all the time.
Angie
 

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Yes, it does need a trim. You can try to file it yourself if you feel you can and if he will let you. Just do a little at a time.
Also feeding him on a piece of slate or flat rock will help file it down too. Also letting him bite/rip his food off into pieces and not chopping it up small helps too
 

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Yes, it does need a trim. You can try to file it yourself if you feel you can and if he will let you. Just do a little at a time.
Also feeding him on a piece of slate or flat rock will help file it down too. Also letting him bite/rip his food off into pieces and not chopping it up small helps too
Okay, would getting him a calcium block also help out? Also, is his beak badly overgrown? I don’t know how much should be filed off.
 

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Okay, would getting him a calcium block also help out? Also, is his beak badly overgrown? I don’t know how much should be filed off.
You can do a calcium block. If he uses it then you don't need to add calcium to the food. If he doesn't use it, then do the small pinch or scrape the block twice a week.
It's not horribly bad. File a little off each day for 3 days and then post another pic. We can probably tell if more is needed.
 

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In this pic, I tried marking how much should come off. It looks like more than it really is.
To start try to take the points off, first line from bottom of beak. Do that over a couple days. Then the second line over a couple days.
After the first couple days post a pic.
You can also take him to the vet and have them do it. Just be sure they are a reptile vet with tortoise experience.
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