I need ID's on these DBT's Please :)

[Hustler]

Ive picked up a couple adult groups over the last little while and i have a few that have me stumped as far as ID goes? Ive received a few different opinions but cant seem to make anything concrete and I would really like to pair them up properly.
This guy was sold to me as a patternless male northern, Ive been told its maybe a cross northern /texas or even ornate?

This pair i was told were ornates, then once i got them perhaps super texas?

And this little guy I thought was a dark concentric? Now im thinking florida?

And lastly this big girl, I was told because shes so white its concentric even though her spots arent blotchy like the rest of them. Is this a northern cross/hybrid?

Thanks for any Info or opinions you guys can share, Im at a loss for info on them as they were collected over the years from various stores/people up here in canada.

 

[Yvonne G]

Redfoot Nerd seems to have a pretty good grasp on the DBT species. Maybe he can help you.

 

[Redfoot NERD]

First and foremost.. we have to accept the fact - many years ago the "turtle-soup" kitchens were closed.. and as a result all of the commercial fisherman/suppliers dumped all of the "stock" into the nearest body of water.. often not their 'native' waters!

PLUS and in addition: many [ breeders? ] just let all of them co-habitate and produce what the different 'locales' produced. I know of some that purposely "cross" them to create their own "designer" hybred to make more money from them due to the rarity.

I see this one as a light phased Northern -mainly because of the plain/no-patterned plastron



These are most likely TexanXOrnate - [ the keel "knobs" are Texan! ]



Texan -



I had this one from a breeder??? - that made it from that combo -





These with the moustache.. Gulf Coast - Louisiana(sp.?).. Mississippi.. etc. -



Another Northern - [ I borrowed a female crossing the causeway on her way to nest.. she laid 6 eggs that produced hatchlings with 4 different colors and "dotted/speckled" head patterns - she was returned a couple weeks later ] -



The "hair-pins" on the plastron [ regardless the color phases of the head, etc. ] is commonly called Concentrics.

Finding "pure-bred" Terrapins isn't as common these daze!

 

[Hustler]

Terry Thank you so much I understand the mess of the gene pool for sure Im just trying to avoid an crosses myself if possible.

 

[Redfoot NERD]

Too bad we live "worlds" apart Hustler.. [ email me direct?.. ].. we could exchange Terrapins, etc.



Anxious to see this one when he grows up -



Those TexanXOrnate? .. have they ever bred? That male I had never seemed to be interested in any female. I'm convinced the X's are either very aggressive/mean or passive!

This ConcentricXOrnate female was downright hateful -





Both of these X's came along with a trade.. they didn't fit with any of mine so they didn't stay long - went to someone who wanted a lone "show" terrapin.

BTW.. those GULF COAST do go acroos the panhandle of Florida and south to maybe Tampa.. so you were right on that one!