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Discussion in 'Introductions' started by nid, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. nid

    nid New Member

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    Hello Tortoise fans,

    I'm a new member with a sad story.
    My friend found the remains of a tortoise in a public park in Southern California; see attached photos,
    and I like to find out what species it is.

    Thanks !

    Nid.

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    Herman's? Just a guess...
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    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member

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    Tom The Dog Trainer 5 Year Member

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    Russian. Testudo horsfieldii.
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    Toddrickfl1 Well-Known Member

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    I also vote Russian
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  6. nid

    nid New Member

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    Thank you much for your reply !
    Hermann's tortoise looks good as its plastral scute pattern resembles quite well, as does its size, and they are bred in the U.S. for the pet trade.
    It looks like Hermann's tortoises typically have two longitudinal dark plastral stripes, and this specimen has dark scutes with light edges, but this coloration appears to be somewhat variable within the species.
    Could it be one of the other Testudo species ?
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    Thanks, Tom !
    Russian (Testudo horsfieldii) looks like a great match !

    To satisfy my curiosity I have a couple of questions:
    Besides Testudo hermanni, horsfieldii, and graeca, are there other Testudo species available in the U.S. pet trade ?
    Is there a key to the Testudo species ?
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    Thanks, Todd !
    Russian tortoise looks indeed like a great match !
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    Thanks, Wellington !
    It looks like the mystery has been solved.
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    That is the remains of a horsefield (Russian) tortoise. Testudo horsfieldii

    Small button nuchal
    very wide 5th vertebral
    overall much rounder shape
    Plastral pattern
    etc, etc...
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    wellington Well-Known Member Moderator 5 Year Member

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    @HermanniChris is the best for answering this.
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    HermanniChris Well-Known Member TFO Sponsor 10 Year Member!

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    It’s the shell of a Russian tortoise for sure.
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    Awesome !
    Thanks a lot, Mark !
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    Thanks for resolving this, Chris !
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    Yvonne G Old Timer TFO Admin 10 Year Member! Platinum Supporter

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    Most of the Testudo are available in the U.S. Some much more expensive than others.
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    Thanks for the info, Yvonne !
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    Russians are escape artists. I only half joke when I say I think they can levitate when people aren't looking. This was probably someone escaped pet. It is certainly possible that it was intentionally released, but since these are valuable and sellable, I kind of doubt that. I'm also surprised it didn't survive out there. My best guess is that is was eating plants sprayed with toxic chemicals if it was in a public park. So sad that we allow all these toxins to be sprayed all over the place. I wish I could stop it.
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    Thanks for sharing this insight, Tom.
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    Will Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    I agree.
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