ID Tortoise species from a painting

kameya

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Hi Forum members,

I visited Getty Center in Los Angeles yesterday and discovered a painting that has two well-depicted tortoises among other animals. Due to the size and scale of the painting, these two tortoises were painted fairly small compare to other animals in the painting. I was able to recognize one of the tortoises to be Hermann tortoise, but was not able to get a clear read on the other. Just want to share the photos I took on this painting to see if anyone on this forum able to ID the tortoises in the painting. Thanks.

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Hi Forum members,

I visited Getty Center in Los Angeles yesterday and discovered a painting that has two well-depicted tortoises among other animals. Due to the size and scale of the painting, these two tortoises were painted fairly small compare to other animals in the painting. I was able to recognize one of the tortoises to be Hermann tortoise, but was not able to get a clear read on the other. Just want to share the photos I took on this painting to see if anyone on this forum able to ID the tortoises in the painting. Thanks.

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The second tortoise looks as though it could be a Pancake Tortoise or a Spider Tortoise. It also might be considered a Star Tortoise going by its pattern, but the shell is not highly domed enough for a Star Tortoise IMHO.
 

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Lovely paintings. Thanks for sharing.

I have a feeling that the one on the "left" is a leopard tort - but I'm not sure.

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please help. Thank you all.
 

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Knowing what was most familiar to a European artist helps— I think the top (left hand) tortoise is a European species, probably Testudo hermanni. The other (right) is different though, with the carapacial rays... it does look something like a pancake tortoise, but wondering what might most likely turn up in a Brussels menagerie in the 1600s. The other exotic animals in the painting are largely African, so guessing that the second tortoise is African might be logical. So if not a pancake, perhaps leopard tortoise is a good guess!
 

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I went to the Getty in January and noticed the tortoises in this painting as well. I am going to go with Hermann's tortoise (upper), and Geometric tortoise for the lower!
 

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I went to the Getty in January and noticed the tortoises in this painting as well. I am going to go with Hermann's tortoise (upper), and Geometric tortoise for the lower!
I tend to agree with the Geometric. I don't know the mediterraneans though.
 

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