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TheRed365

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1. Every other day soaking will ensure good hydration. I like it.
2. Humidifiers are okay to run in the room where the enclosure is, but they should not be blowing directly into an enclosure. I don't use them at all. Also, at 9 inches, humidity is not all that important anymore.
3. "Loose on the floor" isn't loose on the floor if the whole floor had been made into a dedicated tortoise enclosure. I have done this before in a little house that I lived in with sulcatas. Half the living room was their enclosure. They weren't loose. They were in their enclosure. A whole room sized enclosure sounds fantastic.
4. About your greenhouse tent. It won't hurt anything , but its not critical for larger tortoises that are mostly already grown. High humidity id VERY important for hatchling leopard tortoises. Older larger ones do fine with drier conditions, as long as they are well hydrated, like with every other day soaks for example... :)
5. CFLs should never be used over tortoises. They are ineffective UV sources and some of them burn reptile eyes. I would turn those off ASAP.
6. Blacklights and other colored bulbs shouldn't be used either. Tortoises see colors better than we do. If you can see that light at night, your tortoise can see it better. It should be dark at night. A CHE or two controlled by a thermostat can work, but your tortoise is getting borderline too big to be under CHEs and incandescent bulbs. RHPs are better, but must be close and have a relatively low ceiling to be effective.
7. Ambient heat should be on a thermostat. Basking bulbs and ambient light on one timer, and UV on a different timer. Thermostats can be found on amazon for $18-30.

You are welcome. More questions and tortoise conversation are welcome.
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You sent some time typing that out!

1. Every other day soaking will ensure good hydration. I like it.
2. Humidifiers are okay to run in the room where the enclosure is, but they should not be blowing directly into an enclosure. I don't use them at all. Also, at 9 inches, humidity is not all that important anymore.
3. "Loose on the floor" isn't loose on the floor if the whole floor had been made into a dedicated tortoise enclosure. I have done this before in a little house that I lived in with sulcatas. Half the living room was their enclosure. They weren't loose. They were in their enclosure. A whole room sized enclosure sounds fantastic.
4. About your greenhouse tent. It won't hurt anything , but its not critical for larger tortoises that are mostly already grown. High humidity id VERY important for hatchling leopard tortoises. Older larger ones do fine with drier conditions, as long as they are well hydrated, like with every other day soaks for example... :)
5. CFLs should never be used over tortoises. They are ineffective UV sources and some of them burn reptile eyes. I would turn those off ASAP.
6. Blacklights and other colored bulbs shouldn't be used either. Tortoises see colors better than we do. If you can see that light at night, your tortoise can see it better. It should be dark at night. A CHE or two controlled by a thermostat can work, but your tortoise is getting borderline too big to be under CHEs and incandescent bulbs. RHPs are better, but must be close and have a relatively low ceiling to be effective.
7. Ambient heat should be on a thermostat. Basking bulbs and ambient light on one timer, and UV on a different timer. Thermostats can be found on amazon for $18-30.

You are welcome. More questions and tortoise conversation are welcome.
Hi again Tom,
hope all is well. As winter approaches, I am making some adjustments to the inside enclosure. The biggest of which is new UV bulbs. I was going to get the 12% Arcadia HO (22 inch) you recommended in other posts. would that still be your recommendation? If so, the default lamp bundle on Amazon has a poor rating for the lamp despite the bulb quality. Do you have a recommendation for the lamp/housing?

I could have sworn once I saw a combo that had day light LEDs on one side and a T5 for UVB on a separate timer on the other. Would be great for space, but A) I can’t find it anywhere and B) thought I’d get your input.

thanks again!
-Red
 

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Hi again Tom,
hope all is well. As winter approaches, I am making some adjustments to the inside enclosure. The biggest of which is new UV bulbs. I was going to get the 12% Arcadia HO (22 inch) you recommended in other posts. would that still be your recommendation? If so, the default lamp bundle on Amazon has a poor rating for the lamp despite the bulb quality. Do you have a recommendation for the lamp/housing?

I could have sworn once I saw a combo that had day light LEDs on one side and a T5 for UVB on a separate timer on the other. Would be great for space, but A) I can’t find it anywhere and B) thought I’d get your input.

thanks again!
-Red
The Pro T5 Kits from Arcadia are my top choice for indoor UV. Any length will work.

I do my LEDs separate so that I can run the UV for 2-4 hours mid day and keep the LEDs on for 12 hours on a separate timer.
 

TheRed365

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The Pro T5 Kits from Arcadia are my top choice for indoor UV. Any length will work.

I do my LEDs separate so that I can run the UV for 2-4 hours mid day and keep the LEDs on for 12 hours on a separate timer.
Any recommendations for LEDs then? Is it super important to be specific on the type of light for LEDs if the UVB is a separate unit? Right now I've just been running an extra Phillips hue in a regular desk lamp synced to sunrise sunset times.
 

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Any recommendations for LEDs then? Is it super important to be specific on the type of light for LEDs if the UVB is a separate unit? Right now I've just been running an extra Phillips hue in a regular desk lamp synced to sunrise sunset times.
I get mine at Walmart or Home Depot. Under cabinet mount types. Just make sure it is in the 5000-6500K color range. This will be on the package.

I also use screw in type bulbs when I have a socket that needs an LED. I like the globe type LEDs bulbs for this purpose.
 

Vampire1330

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I get mine at Walmart or Home Depot. Under cabinet mount types. Just make sure it is in the 5000-6500K color range. This will be on the package.

I also use screw in type bulbs when I have a socket that needs an LED. I like the globe type LEDs bulbs for this purpose.
Hi Tom, I just read your first post. I currently have 2 star tortoises. Should I buy one more to make it 3 instead?
 

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Hi Tom, I just read your first post. I currently have 2 star tortoises. Should I buy one more to make it 3 instead?
You may end up with three males or 1 female and 2 males and you'll need three enclosures then (outside and inside). I would take an easy way and separate the pair you already have.
 

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Hi Tom, I just read your first post. I currently have 2 star tortoises. Should I buy one more to make it 3 instead?
Options:
1. Get one more and have the minimum necessary and see how it goes.
2. Get two or three more so you have a nice size group.
3. Separate the two you have into separate enclosures.
4. Give one of yours away to someone else.

If you get more animals and they are from a different source or from a different batch from the same source, they will need to be quarantined for several months before mixing them.
 

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This is wonderfully helpful, but now I think I got the wrong pet! But I will take all the advice and run with it. I also follow a FB page and it is HORRIBLE! There is so much breeding of sulcatas (and other torts) and the care I see is extremely sad (with so many babies like mine with eating/respiratory/eye issues. I appreciate a forum with REAL knowledge and care for the species. My regards to you and all those who are giving real information. Thank you!!
 

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This is wonderfully helpful, but now I think I got the wrong pet! But I will take all the advice and run with it. I also follow a FB page and it is HORRIBLE! There is so much breeding of sulcatas (and other torts) and the care I see is extremely sad (with so many babies like mine with eating/respiratory/eye issues. I appreciate a forum with REAL knowledge and care for the species. My regards to you and all those who are giving real information. Thank you!!
You are welcome and we are so glad you are here. We all hate seeing the carnage out in the world too, and every time someone like you comes along, makes the necessary changes, and then shows us their healthy thriving tortoise, it warms our hearts. Its the reason we do what we do.

Spread the word. Do your best to help those still lost on FB and following all the wrong care advice, but be prepared to be banned, insulted and cancelled. Even if you fail to reach some of them, you will be planting seeds of knowledge and some of them will eventually come to fruition. In the mean time, enjoy raising that beautiful little tortoise, and start planning for that very large future. :)
 
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