Is there way to reduce space taken by vivarium?

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I'm thinking of getting a Mesopotamian tortoise in the near future, and for its vivarium I was wondering something. I am planning on 32 square feet of floor space (the amount of space in a 4x8 pen) and was curious, is there a way to have it take up less than 32 square feet on the floor, but still have that much interior floor space? I don't even know if that's possible, I can have it take up the full space if necessary but I'd rather not because I don't have a huge amount of extra room. Any thoughts? (I considered a permanent outdoor pen, but it won't really work in my climate.)
 

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I'm thinking of getting a Mesopotamian tortoise in the near future, and for its vivarium I was wondering something. I am planning on 32 square feet of floor space (the amount of space in a 4x8 pen) and was curious, is there a way to have it take up less than 32 square feet on the floor, but still have that much interior floor space? I don't even know if that's possible, I can have it take up the full space if necessary but I'd rather not because I don't have a huge amount of extra room. Any thoughts? (I considered a permanent outdoor pen, but it won't really work in my climate.)
Where in CA are you? In the 909?

If yes, your climate will be excellent.

I explain how to do it and show pics here:
 

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No, I am about 20 miles north of San Fransisco. We get lots of cold and rain in winter, and occasional freezes in spring.
 

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Make the enclosure 2 stories. I have an 8x3 with another 8 sq ft 2nd level.
 

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No, I am about 20 miles north of San Fransisco. We get lots of cold and rain in winter, and occasional freezes in spring.
It can still work. People do it in the UK and there weather is worse than yours.
 

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I am planning on 32 square feet of floor space (the amount of space in a 4x8 pen) and was curious, is there a way to have it take up less than 32 square feet on the floor, but still have that much interior floor space?

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When I look at your pix, it looks like 3 pictures of the same thing. I don't see a 2nd level.

Do you have any that show both levels?
 

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YES! This man can help:
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Oh great! My problems are over! You don't happen to have his email address? :D

Two stories, that sounds like a good idea. I imagine you use some kind of shallow ramp with guard rails so that the tort can go between them? Also, how does that interact with heating?
 
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Oh great! My problems are over! You don't happen to have his email address? :D

Two stories, that sounds like a good idea. I imagine you use some kind of shallow ramp with guard rails so that the tort can go between them? Also, how does that interact with heating?
Check out the pics I posted in this thread. My CHEs are in the front 2/3rds of the tank, away from the 2nd level. Also I have 2 fans that gently blow towards the CHEs so heat is distributed over a large area and not focal.
 

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Ah, yes! Now I see. If you don't mind, I'm going to keep copies of these. Sometimes newbies ask about 2 story enclosures. It's nice to have pix to show how others have done it.
 

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Ah, yes! Now I see. If you don't mind, I'm going to keep copies of these. Sometimes newbies ask about 2 story enclosures. It's nice to have pix to show how others have done it.

Here is the entire build thread on the 2 story tank if you want to reference it in the future.

 
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