Thank you for your support, my tort was put to rest yesterday. It was very tragic and I agree, that I want no one suffering like this.I think that it is very honorable of you to be discreet about not giving the name of the breeder. HOWEVER, if this breeder has known or even suspected for a short time and is continuing to sell these animals it is not fair for everyone not to know who it is so we do not recommend and/or buy any reptile from them. It has nothing to do with wanting to ruin them but everything to do with protecting future tort owners. This disease doesn't show up right away, as you have found out and is deadly!!. Maybe because I am a mother and a woman but I feel terrible for you and all these other new owners buying these babies and spending hundreds of dollars on all the equipment and enclosures to have him die a few months later.
I would honestly get him out of your house as soon as possible. It is so highly contagious. There is a guy in Florida that runs a Reptile Rescue. I see him on Facebook, Flint Flume. I'm not sure if he's a member here or not but he's done a lot of research on this disease and offers necropsies to people once their tort has passed. I'm sure you could call and talk to him. Seems like a nice guy.
I am very sorry about your baby. ?
Finally the last text I just sent him. Again, I'll post updates if he ever responds.Here is the continuation of my text conversation with the seller. He refunded me and I advised that I put down my tort like he asked me to keep him updated. Also provided some additional feedback. I will await to see if he takes my advice regarding the cages. But again, he has already told me he's reusing the same ones infected tortoises were in. If he responds, I will post the updates here. I will also post screen shots from my phone once I write my official review. But right now it would show his name on my phone so is why I'm copying and pasting them:
If you have PayPal,
I can deposit the money in your PayPal.
Does that work?
If so, I would need your email that you use for PayPal.
Do you have venmo? I don't have my PayPal setup to send money to my bank account. I only have a credit card setup to make payments. So would prefer you send via venmo or refund via the original source, which was my credit card.
I just paid you through venmo
Thanks.... I have received it
I paid to have the tortoise put down yesterday. This will help me recover part of that bill and the nearly $1,000 dollars I lost on my closed chamber and all the equipment I had to throw out.
Hoping one day I can save up enough money again to buy another closed chamber and a sulacata from Tom.
Be careful reusing those cages you have by the way. A well respected member told me that they threw out their closed chamber and all gear, which is why I also did. They said they couldn't risk it. Just sharing that as I know you have tons of animals like me... sincerely do not want you to go through more tragedies or future customers of yours to deal with the pain I've had to.
Saying a prayer for you r heart. ISo true and that's the sad part. Having to put down my beautiful, little smooth ball of a tort is going to be one of the hardest things I've ever done. Been in tears all day but after speaking to multiple experts on here, it just has to be done. I'll never forget this tort and how much joy it brought me. Tears are rolling down my face as I write this and I just am so upset and disgusted right now. Time heals all but this is gonna take a lot of time. I setup everything perfect, followed all the expert advice and chose the seller based on recommendations on this here forum, only for him to send me an infected baby.
I also found out the seller knew they had an issue with their January 2020 litter, from someone on this forum, but they proceeded to sell the July 2020 litter that I bought from anyway!!!!
This tells me they only care about $$$ and from the amount of sulacata they sell annually, should be ashamed of potentially infecting homes all over the USA.
I really hope they are not permitted to sell on here until they prove they've tested all animals and have clean babies. If not, future TFO members could have the same thing happen, just like me. I don't want them to feel what I am right now...
I literally saw people endorsing this person for hatchlings a few weeks ago.... enough is enough I am shining a bright light.
I am wishing the best for my snakes. I am in the process of consulting my attorney in case something very sad happens from all this.
For the record I would never, ever want to pursue legal action but I like to prepare for everything in life. And just like I prepared for my little sulacata and setup a closed chamber that will now be going in the garage - I will now prepare myself for justice for my animals if need be.
Animals are not commodities! Compassion over profits always.
Animals deserve justice, they have no voice.
I will be the voice of my animals.
Thank you so much for your support <3 this means a lot to me. I am so sorry for your losses as well. I have 3 dogs of my own, Jagger, Hendrix, and Elton and I would be devastated if anything happened to them or my cats, Leyla and Bella. They all light up my life in their own unique ways. Im grateful to have the honor of sharing my lives with all of my animals ? please hang in there as well and I am also here for you if you ever need anything <3I'm so sorry about this situation. I can relate- I'm new to having reptiles but I've always grown up with pets. I had to put my first dog down and I couldn't handle it. A few months later, my closest and best cat past away unexpectedly. It was the hardest thing I'd ever gone through- especially since it was pretty close after my dog passing. losing pets is like losing family- it's unbearable. It's very obvious that you deeply care about the wellbeing of your animals and that says a lot. sounds like the breeder doesn't really care... which is pretty disgusting.
I hope your snakes are doing okay.
I'm here for you if you ever need to chat.
And this is why you're awesome and a great person. You care for the animals over everything else. It was touching to read this.they know we went through this same situation with all the animals here. and while we know we practice EXTREMELY good bio here you just never know and how scary it was thinking one or more could have it now i really did not think we would have spread it but you always have that thought in your mind.... the what if i did this or what if i did that.... am i SURE i never touched anything etc. we are so careful with bio its like second nature here but that thought was there many months later and even to this day i think about that. and i told them we were tossing / burning everything they touched or came here. we do have their ashes in their urn because they were special to us here and as heart breaking as it was i did not want to forget them. we all miss them still to this day. this is why we always keep new animals away from anyone here and even in a separate facility usually till we are sure but not everyone can have the ability to do that.
...is now all over the country even cases overseas. this could be something that is now here to stay permanently. and if any were released out in the wild then this can affect all species even those that may be endangered.
Always why we can't have nice things...
I completely agree. You all saw how the seller responded to me about his cages... and he is a breeder, who should have the highest standards. Ill continue asking about his practices and updates on his caging.i agree this needs to be halted the issue is the breeders that may be responsible do not nor did they seem to care when approached about it and this will not stop them from breeding this year.