Yes a lepracutta is a hybrid of a sulcata and leopard.
Moofahsa said:He owns the tortoises and he can do as he pleases. I think it is very interesting, granted I am new to all of this but sheesh doesn't make sense to me that some people are pointing fingers like this is what is wrong with the world. This could potentially make a new niche market and attract more new people to the hobby!
CactusVinnie said:Moofahsa said:He owns the tortoises and he can do as he pleases. I think it is very interesting, granted I am new to all of this but sheesh doesn't make sense to me that some people are pointing fingers like this is what is wrong with the world. This could potentially make a new niche market and attract more new people to the hobby!
How many years above the age of 12 are you?
You "own" your toys, or your mobile phone. Not a living creature!!! You keep and care about a living creature- it's a big difference.
Even for objects you are responsable, because you just can't dump them anywhere, since they will became trash that is unpleasant and harmful for other people and environment! See, in fact a person can't just do things "as he pleases"- or he can, but "as he pleases" is a well thougt decision for a civilised, intelligent and responsable person.
And, "sheesh", doesn't make sense to you that "market niches" and "attracting more people to the hobby" aren't by far a good reason for such a thing??
Since there are so many species almost lost in the wild, why not invest the available resources of a hobbyst (time, money, room) in breeding one of those, to reduce collecting pressure on the wild ones??
Waste of resources, irresponsability... poor critters did not ask for being born as genetic garbage. They (HOPEFULLY!!!) will live a solitary life, never mate and perpetuate their species- simply because they ARE NOT A SPECIES!
What's wrong with the world, indeed...
N2TORTS said:Maybe we should focus on the human race ......Now that is going to hell. Where do you think cancers and hiv...stem from?... Mixing human races, countries, imports , Illegals, hybrids,,,,what ever you want to call it. Is it wrong ..? of course not because its accepted ...Maybe birthcontrol should hold more importace.... we're running out of resources people .....
Moofahsa said:He owns the tortoises and he can do as he pleases. I think it is very interesting, granted I am new to all of this but sheesh doesn't make sense to me that some people are pointing fingers like this is what is wrong with the world. This could potentially make a new niche market and attract more new people to the hobby!
vanillapooh1979 said:I feel like I drug up an old isue and have caused issues now. The photo of the mixed tortoise is a beautiful tortoise.
N2TORTS said:Maybe we should focus on the human race ......Now that is going to hell. Where do you think cancers and hiv...stem from?... Mixing human races, countries, imports , Illegals, hybrids,,,,what ever you want to call it.
CactusVinnie said:How many years above the age of 12 are you?
You "own" your toys, or your mobile phone. Not a living creature!!! You keep and care about a living creature- it's a big difference.
Even for objects you are responsable, because you just can't dump them anywhere, since they will became trash that is unpleasant and harmful for other people and environment! See, in fact a person can't just do things "as he pleases"- or he can, but "as he pleases" is a well thougt decision for a civilised, intelligent and responsable person.
And, "sheesh", doesn't make sense to you that "market niches" and "attracting more people to the hobby" aren't by far a good reason for such a thing??
Since there are so many species almost lost in the wild, why not invest the available resources of a hobbyst (time, money, room) in breeding one of those, to reduce collecting pressure on the wild ones??
Waste of resources, irresponsability... poor critters did not ask for being born as genetic garbage. They (HOPEFULLY!!!) will live a solitary life, never mate and perpetuate their species- simply because they ARE NOT A SPECIES!
What's wrong with the world, indeed...
Kristina said:Are you seriously suggesting that HIV and cancer are the results of interracial relationships?
Human beings are not HYBRIDS, because we are all the same SPECIES, no matter our skin color. I can't believe the bigotry of that statement.
I have had cancer and undergone chemotherapy. For you to suggest that it was the result of one of my parents being Caucasian, and the other Hispanic really, really ticks me off.
As far as the hybrid tortoises, I think that they are a curiousity, nothing more. I personally agree with keeping the species pure. That is my personal opinion, which I am just as entitled to as anyone else
Kristina said:N2TORTS said:Maybe we should focus on the human race ......Now that is going to hell. Where do you think cancers and hiv...stem from?... Mixing human races, countries, imports , Illegals, hybrids,,,,what ever you want to call it.
Are you seriously suggesting that HIV and cancer are the results of interracial relationships?
Human beings are not HYBRIDS, because we are all the same SPECIES, no matter our skin color. I can't believe the bigotry of that statement.
N2TORTS said:Kristina said:N2TORTS said:Maybe we should focus on the human race ......Now that is going to hell. Where do you think cancers and hiv...stem from?... Mixing human races, countries, imports , Illegals, hybrids,,,,what ever you want to call it.
Are you seriously suggesting that HIV and cancer are the results of interracial relationships?
Human beings are not HYBRIDS, because we are all the same SPECIES, no matter our skin color. I can't believe the bigotry of that statement.
No to your first insight ....you dont even know what race/gender medical situation I'am or have gone thru.
Yes HIV came from Africa!
Yes....Different races carry different immunities and are carriers of different cancers and disease , thus offspring of these two could and most likely carry those introduced traits.
Of course melanin is only one aspect of what people call "race", there are a number of others as well. Skeletons are different and general races are easily identified with just a few bones. Also, what about the rest of the variation we see? Why are there differences in hair, for example?s this just an evolutionary accident (unlike skin color)? The dominant theory (called Out of Africa) holds that Homo sapiens (us) evolved in Africa about 150k yrs ago. There are fossils that are sometimes called "archaeic sapiens" that go back farther, but that's really a way of saying we don't quite know where they fit in. mtDNA agrees pretty much with the date of 150k yrs ago. Check out books by Ian Tattersall for a good description of this.
Some Out of Africa folks would argue that we evolved physically by about 150k yrs ago, but that our unique language and mental ability did not arise until as recently as 50-70k yrs ago (when you start seeing cave paintings and the like). This is a lot harder to prove than just looking at physical features.
If it is so easy to get differences in physical features, why not some differences in mental abilities as well? Should we not accept the differences we keep seeing on IQ tests between races and regions? The minority view, called the Multiregional Hypothesis, states that spaiens evolved all over the world at the same time from earlier forms of Homo. That we've basically been one species for the last ~2M yrs. Homo Erectus in Asia, Home Neanderthalenis in Europe, and Homo Ergastor in Africa all were really the same species that interbred and evolved into us. Check out books by Milford Wolpoff on this theory.
Has there ever been a case of parallel evolution? If you isolate one group from another, give it a few hundred thousand years they won't be able to breed anymore, therefore they will be different species. I don't believe that we could have bred with neanderthals or erectii, correct me if I am wrong?
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dmmj said:(snicker) homo erectus.
Terry Allan Hall said:N2TORTS said:Has there ever been a case of parallel evolution? If you isolate one group from another, give it a few hundred thousand years they won't be able to breed anymore, therefore they will be different species. I don't believe that we could have bred with neanderthals or erectii, correct me if I am wrong?
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Actually, there's a lot of strong evidence that Cro-magnons and Neanderthals did intermarry to some extent...no idea about homo erectus.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/
http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.html
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals
N2TORTS said:Yes, there is mounting evidence that Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis did interbreed/intermarry
..................so isnt that a hybrid?
GeoTerraTestudo said:N2TORTS said:Yes, there is mounting evidence that Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis did interbreed/intermarry
..................so isnt that a hybrid?
Yep, sure is ... but again, intraspecific hybridization produces mixture, not mules.
N2TORTS said:Maybe we should focus on the human race