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Redfoots: Yet another request to help determine sexes...

Evereigh Mann

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Hello--

We have four Redfoots (one is a particularly stunning black Cherryhead) that are 3-4 years old, and they measure between 6 and 8 inches. I am curious to know what the sexes are, and while I try to glean info from the internet, I really cannot tell for sure...

1,000 thank-yous in advance!

1:
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2:
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3:
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4 (black Cherrydude/dudette):
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My guess?
Male
Female
Male
Female
But I have been notoriously wrong in the past.
The truth is that they are still on the young side to really be able to tell...(.Even if I didn't suck at it.)
They all look female until the DAY that they dont.
 

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Thank you, 0-Pi:

According to the parameters I'm seeing online, #1 certainly appears to be male. That one is also the biggest at 8 1/2 inches, for whatever reason, as it is within a few weeks age-wise as two of the others. The other 3 are inconclusive to my novice eyes.

If anyone else cares to chime in, please do feel free to!
 

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They all look female imo. Here's a picture of my male that's about the same size for comparisonIMG_20190804_104433751.jpg
 

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I can definitely see the pronounced "v" on yours. Uh oh...I'm hoping at least one of mine is a male.

At what age do the males begin to display the "hourglass" shape? Should mine at 3+ years old be showing the hourglass and the concave plastron if one were in fact a male?
 

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I can definitely see the pronounced "v" on yours. Uh oh...I'm hoping at least one of mine is a male.

At what age do the males begin to display the "hourglass" shape? Should mine at 3+ years old be showing the hourglass and the concave plastron if one were in fact a male?
Mine started showing both at about 3 years.
 

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I didn't realize females are more sought after. From what I've read, most suggest it's best to have a group of females with just one male for breeding purposes, and it appears most breeders keep their incubators set at a higher temp to assure female hatchlings. I assumed the males were harder to come across.
 

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I didn't realize females are more sought after. From what I've read, most suggest it's best to have a group of females with just one male for breeding purposes, and it appears most breeders keep their incubators set at a higher temp to assure female hatchlings. I assumed the males were harder to come across.
Males are MUCH HARDER to keep together without at least 3 females per male.
That ends up being a lot of tortoises needing a lot of outdoor space.
 

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With these juveniles, is the best way to determine sex by the size/shape of the tail, or by the shape of the plastron notch?
 

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Hello, and thank you, mchong9606.

Apart from the responses on this thread, I have contacted various breeders--many of whom are recommended by this site--asking if they would take a moment to consider my situation. First and foremost, I am impressed with how cordial the responses have been. I suppose friendly people are attracted to tortoises in general.

On the basis of these photos, responses have run the gamut: From "all female" to "the first one female and the next 3 likely male" and everything in between. Again...these opinions have come from experienced breeders with the one constant being...well, inconsistency. I have been advised by two that the shape of the notch by the tail is not a reliable indicator at the 3- or 4-year-old stage.

I would like to know for certain, but it would seem to be a waiting game at this point.
 

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Hello, and thank you, mchong9606.

Apart from the responses on this thread, I have contacted various breeders--many of whom are recommended by this site--asking if they would take a moment to consider my situation. First and foremost, I am impressed with how cordial the responses have been. I suppose friendly people are attracted to tortoises in general.

On the basis of these photos, responses have run the gamut: From "all female" to "the first one female and the next 3 likely male" and everything in between. Again...these opinions have come from experienced breeders with the one constant being...well, inconsistency. I have been advised by two that the shape of the notch by the tail is not a reliable indicator at the 3- or 4-year-old stage.

I would like to know for certain, but it would seem to be a waiting game at this point.
The truth is that they are still sexually immature.
It's still too soon to say for 100%.
And yes.
This forum is full of great people.
 

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They all look like girls, so early in the game. They will all be girls until the tail grows almost overnight or you get a peen flash during a bath. They are still too small for an accurate sexing.
 

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Hi Stacie--

It has been raining down here in the Sarasota/Bradenton area all weekend, and he/she is sandier than usual...

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They all look like girls, so early in the game. They will all be girls until the tail grows almost overnight or you get a peen flash during a bath. They are still too small for an accurate sexing.
Thanks Allegra--

No flash so far, but it does occur to me that a month or so back, I checked in with them in the morning to note the largest of the four (picture #1) furiously digging a fairly wide hole that was completely filled in when I returned from work that evening. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but will they dig holes and then simply fill them in for no reason...? There is no chance that a 3 1/2-yr-old Redfoot is with child(ren), is there?
 

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At this stage, it looks like they are all girls to me but I agree with the others, it's still too soon to confidently say.
 

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I only have 45 years into the torts but I am seeing all females. # 3 has best chance of being a male later. My question is; have any of them started to show a concave plastron??
Frank
 

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