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Redfoots: Yet another request to help determine sexes...

Discussion in 'Redfoot and yellowfoot tortoises' started by Evereigh Mann, Aug 3, 2019.

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  1. Evereigh Mann

    Evereigh Mann New Member

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    Hello--

    We have four Redfoots (one is a particularly stunning black Cherryhead) that are 3-4 years old, and they measure between 6 and 8 inches. I am curious to know what the sexes are, and while I try to glean info from the internet, I really cannot tell for sure...

    1,000 thank-yous in advance!

    1:
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    2:
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    3:
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    4 (black Cherrydude/dudette):
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    ZEROPILOT Well-Known Member 5 Year Member Platinum Tortoise Club Tortoise Club

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    My guess?
    Male
    Female
    Male
    Female
    But I have been notoriously wrong in the past.
    The truth is that they are still on the young side to really be able to tell...(.Even if I didn't suck at it.)
    They all look female until the DAY that they dont.
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    Evereigh Mann New Member

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    Thank you, 0-Pi:

    According to the parameters I'm seeing online, #1 certainly appears to be male. That one is also the biggest at 8 1/2 inches, for whatever reason, as it is within a few weeks age-wise as two of the others. The other 3 are inconclusive to my novice eyes.

    If anyone else cares to chime in, please do feel free to!
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    Toddrickfl1 Well-Known Member Tortoise Club

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    They all look female imo. Here's a picture of my male that's about the same size for comparison IMG_20190804_104433751.jpg
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    Evereigh Mann New Member

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    I can definitely see the pronounced "v" on yours. Uh oh...I'm hoping at least one of mine is a male.

    At what age do the males begin to display the "hourglass" shape? Should mine at 3+ years old be showing the hourglass and the concave plastron if one were in fact a male?
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    Toddrickfl1 Well-Known Member Tortoise Club

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    Mine started showing both at about 3 years.
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    Females are much more sought after.
    So, in the future you can always swap or sell one or more to other members.
    I've done this in the past myself.
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    I didn't realize females are more sought after. From what I've read, most suggest it's best to have a group of females with just one male for breeding purposes, and it appears most breeders keep their incubators set at a higher temp to assure female hatchlings. I assumed the males were harder to come across.
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    ZEROPILOT Well-Known Member 5 Year Member Platinum Tortoise Club Tortoise Club

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    Males are MUCH HARDER to keep together without at least 3 females per male.
    That ends up being a lot of tortoises needing a lot of outdoor space.
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    With these juveniles, is the best way to determine sex by the size/shape of the tail, or by the shape of the plastron notch?
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    I think they are all females.
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    Hello, and thank you, mchong9606.

    Apart from the responses on this thread, I have contacted various breeders--many of whom are recommended by this site--asking if they would take a moment to consider my situation. First and foremost, I am impressed with how cordial the responses have been. I suppose friendly people are attracted to tortoises in general.

    On the basis of these photos, responses have run the gamut: From "all female" to "the first one female and the next 3 likely male" and everything in between. Again...these opinions have come from experienced breeders with the one constant being...well, inconsistency. I have been advised by two that the shape of the notch by the tail is not a reliable indicator at the 3- or 4-year-old stage.

    I would like to know for certain, but it would seem to be a waiting game at this point.
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    The truth is that they are still sexually immature.
    It's still too soon to say for 100%.
    And yes.
    This forum is full of great people.
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    They all look like girls, so early in the game. They will all be girls until the tail grows almost overnight or you get a peen flash during a bath. They are still too small for an accurate sexing.
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    I’m not saying what they are but I would love to see more pictures of #4
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    Hi Stacie--

    It has been raining down here in the Sarasota/Bradenton area all weekend, and he/she is sandier than usual...

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    Thanks Allegra--

    No flash so far, but it does occur to me that a month or so back, I checked in with them in the morning to note the largest of the four (picture #1) furiously digging a fairly wide hole that was completely filled in when I returned from work that evening. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but will they dig holes and then simply fill them in for no reason...? There is no chance that a 3 1/2-yr-old Redfoot is with child(ren), is there?
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    I know what you mean about the rain. Beautiful tort you have.
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    At this stage, it looks like they are all girls to me but I agree with the others, it's still too soon to confidently say.
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    I only have 45 years into the torts but I am seeing all females. # 3 has best chance of being a male later. My question is; have any of them started to show a concave plastron??
    Frank
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