Russian Tortoise Not Moving Legs and Rubbing Face

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I am in desperate need of help! My Russian tortoise is extremely sick. Two Saturdays ago (July 30th), my tortoise (Gilbert) started acting very strange. He had (what seemed to be) a lot of mucus coming out of his nose and mouth. By a lot, I mean I kept seeing a bubble come out of his nose and a bubble come out of his house every now and again. Based on research, I figured this was a Respiratory Infection.

He also seemed like he was choking, but there was no food in his mouth. He was also making this awful sound. It almost sounded like the quack of a duck. I have a video, but the file is too big to attach, so I'm not sure how to show it. Finally, he kept rubbing his face with his front legs.

Of course, I took him to the vet. She put him on a nebulizer, gave him a 100mg injection of an antibiotic (Gentamycin), and a 2mg injection of a steroid (Dexamethasone). This is all according to the bill. She continued this treatment Monday through Friday of last week. However, M-F, she used another antibiotic (Baytril-Enrofloxacin Injectable) instead of the steroid. I never went back with him, so I'm not sure how all of this went down.

It is now the Monday, August 8th, and he started acting very strange again yesterday. He started doing that choking-like action again, this time without the sound. He also kept sticking his neck out really far, which was really unusual for him as well. He is continuing to rub his face, and he is extremely lethargic. It seems the only time he's not in pain is when he is asleep, and that is all he does.

THE BIGGEST CONCERN right now is that he is not using his back legs to walk AT ALL. He barely even responds to touch on his back legs. I took him outside to see if maybe it was just yesterday, but he literally just used his front legs to drag himself around and turn himself in circles.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. I have no idea what to do. I'm in an area where there aren't really any qualified or experienced exotic pet veterinarians, and mine is the best in town.

P.S. I don't know his age, but if I had to guess, I would say around 20-25. He weighs around 1.16kg. He eats mostly greens: spinach, romaine, radishes, carrots, dandelions, and an occasional strawberry. He is in a 40 (I think) gallon tank with a 75 watt heat lamp. He has a water dish with a ramp, a half-wooden log for hiding, and a rock to put his food on. His substrate is EcoEarth Coconut Fiber Substrate, and usually Zoo Med New Zealand Sphagnum Moss (which is his favorite).
 

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Hi, post some pics of your enclosure and tort, what is the heat lamp you mention and does he get UV light? What are your temps, where did you got him from? Baytril can cause an allergic reaction so inspite of him being sick the new symptoms can be cause by that, I am not a Vet and don't know the doses but maybe other members can help. Seek other reptile specialist advice. Your tort is very sick and he needs diagnosis and medication ASAP.
 

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Is your vet experienced with torts? Those that aren't can do more harm than good.

Your tort needs to be kept warm and hydrated and to see a good tort vet. It's sounding pretty bad :(
 

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Baytril has caused a lot of problems for some tortoises treated with it.
If you put ' Baytril' into the search function, top right of screen it will bring up lots of results, most of them not good.
You need to see a proper herp vet asap.
 

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I am in desperate need of help! My Russian tortoise is extremely sick.

Do you know your four temps? Warm side, cool side, basking area and over night low?

A 40 is fine for a tiny hatchling, but way too small for anything larger than that. Over time this can cause major problems.

The diet you've been offering is not great. All the wrong stuff. This could also be a contributing factor to his long term break down.

What are you using for UV? Where are you in the world? Does he get outside much?
 

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My vet told me to keep him out of his enclosure for right now in case there is something in there that is causing this. So his enclosure is currently torn apart, and I'm not sure what the temp in his enclosure was prior to this. However, he is always warm when I pull him out of his enclosure). Right now, he is just in a plastic tub with a towel, diffuser (I don't have a humidifier, and I figure this is better than nothing), and he is on top on a heated blanket that is keeping the bottom of the tub warm (but never hot). I will get some pics of him and post them on here.

My vet is not very experienced with torts, but no one in town is (and no one nearby is either). There are no reptile specialists here. The vet I'm seeing is the only even remotely qualified one here. I'm worried that the treatment did more harm than good.

I have been giving him a 20 minute (or longer) warm soak every day. I'm just not sure what else to do. :(

I will try to get the videos uploaded to YouTube!
 

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You need to know those enclosure temperatures.

He must be able to bask. You must know the temperature directly under the basking lamp. It has to be 95-100F there.

Your tort cannot digest food without that basking temp being correct.

You also need to know the warm side, cool side and overnight minimum temperatures.
 

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Do you know your four temps? Warm side, cool side, basking area and over night low?

A 40 is fine for a tiny hatchling, but way too small for anything larger than that. Over time this can cause major problems.

The diet you've been offering is not great. All the wrong stuff. This could also be a contributing factor to his long term break down.

What are you using for UV? Where are you in the world? Does he get outside much?

The tank might be a 50 gallon, I'm not really sure. I take him out often and let him walk around, both outside and inside. What food should I be offering? Everything that I've read say that greens are the best for them.

He was a rescue (came from a like 15 gallon tank). And I'm not sure what they were feeding him exactly before I got him. For UV, I just take him outside and let him get it there. I don't have a bulb in his enclosure or anything. I don't have his enclosure currently put together, so I do not know the four temps.
 

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The tank might be a 50 gallon, I'm not really sure. I take him out often and let him walk around, both outside and inside. What food should I be offering? Everything that I've read say that greens are the best for them.

He was a rescue (came from a like 15 gallon tank). And I'm not sure what they were feeding him exactly before I got him. For UV, I just take him outside and let him get it there. I don't have a bulb in his enclosure or anything. I don't have his enclosure currently put together, so I do not know the four temps.
Getting UVB by daily exposure outdoors is fine, but basking is required in daytime indoors. Your tort cannot do anything without it.

As a cold blooded animal it is totally reliant on external heat to be active.
 

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Hi, post some pics of your enclosure and tort, what is the heat lamp you mention and does he get UV light? What are your temps, where did you got him from? Baytril can cause an allergic reaction so inspite of him being sick the new symptoms can be cause by that, I am not a Vet and don't know the doses but maybe other members can help. Seek other reptile specialist advice. Your tort is very sick and he needs diagnosis and medication ASAP.
Definitely so.
 

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Getting UVB by daily exposure outdoors is fine, but basking is required in daytime indoors. Your tort cannot do anything without it.

As a cold blooded animal it is totally reliant on external heat to be active.

He definitely basks often. I see him basking a lot under his heat lamp. So I know that is happening often. He just hasn't since my first visit to the vet because she said to keep him out of his enclosure and not to take him outside. However, I have taken him outside to at least get a little bit of UV.
 

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He definitely basks often. I see him basking a lot under his heat lamp. So I know that is happening often. He just hasn't since my first visit to the vet because she said to keep him out of his enclosure and not to take him outside. However, I have taken him outside to at least get a little bit of UV.
Your tort is sick. Your tort must still bask. It's even more important now it's sick. You must give it access to basking 12 hours a day. It's probably more important than UVB right now.
 

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The tank might be a 50 gallon, I'm not really sure. I take him out often and let him walk around, both outside and inside. What food should I be offering? Everything that I've read say that greens are the best for them.

He was a rescue (came from a like 15 gallon tank). And I'm not sure what they were feeding him exactly before I got him. For UV, I just take him outside and let him get it there. I don't have a bulb in his enclosure or anything. I don't have his enclosure currently put together, so I do not know the four temps.

Please read these for the correct care and diet info:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/russian-tortoise-care-sheet.80698/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/

I don't want to seem mean, but if no one points out the mistakes you are making, you won't know what to fix. Please read through those two short threads, and you'll see all the things I'm referring to. Please come back and ask for clarification and ask any questions you might have.

I don't think the stress of living in a little tub is going to help your tortoise. I'd set him back up with the proper temperatures, heating and lighting in a large enclosure.
 

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Your tort is sick. Your tort must still bask. It's even more important now it's sick. You must give it access to basking 12 hours a day. It's probably more important than UVB right now.

Okay, I will get the enclosure set up quickly. That's the hard part about living somewhere that there aren't any vets that are experienced.
 

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Getting UVB by daily exposure outdoors is fine, but basking is required in daytime indoors. Your tort cannot do anything without it.

As a cold blooded animal it is totally reliant on external heat to be active.
For the time of him being sick just keep him warm at least 25 Celsius. Is he swollen? Does he have any red, bloody marks on his shell? Is he peeing, pooping, eating? If not how long does he go without it?
 

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For now, warm soaks daily and bumping the overall temps in the 80's, including nights.
I agree that the temporary enclosure needs to have the basic items in it (basking lamp, uvb (if youre not taking him outside frequently), water dish, food dish, etc..).
When do you go back to see the vet?
 

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For the time of him being sick just keep him warm at least 25 Celsius. Is he swollen? Does he have any red, bloody marks on his shell? Is he peeing, pooping, eating? If not how long does he go without it?

He is not swollen at all. No red, bloody marks on the shell. He peed and pooped last I think 3 days ago during a soak. He has eaten at least a little every day so far.
 

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For now, warm soaks daily and bumping the overall temps in the 80's, including nights.
I agree that the temporary enclosure needs to have the basic items in it (basking lamp, uvb (if youre not taking him outside frequently), water dish, food dish, etc..).
When do you go back to see the vet?

I go back to see her tomorrow. But I am afraid it will again do more harm than good.
 

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some members have posted the medicine vets want to prescribe to their tortoise and post it on here asking for insight before follwing through. we have a few vets on this forum that may be able to give you valid insight, if you would like. @deadheadvet is the only vet i know off the top of my head.
 

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