S.p.pardalis and S.p.babcocki

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Really good comparison. It is easy to see the difference in shape. And, Pardalis skin looks peppered :cool:. Does the skin continue to get darker? I've read somewhere here that it is darker than Babcocki.
 

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Outstanding neal, great thread!
 

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GEEZ! Very nice! I'm overlooking too many threads...these are GREAT Neal! That blonde Gpp is remarkable...as is the Black Gpb...that would make an interesting argument for hybridization (though I really don't consider it hybridization...since they're both leopards)! I feel another debate coming on...or at least revival of an ongoing debate (debacle?);)

Again! Nice shots and nice animals Neal!
 

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You wont get any argument here Dean. Not that I think we should be hybridizing tortoises, but whats to say that it isnt occuring in the wild anyway. After all we know that the 2 recognized sub.sp. leopard tortoises do share the same ranges.
 

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I think by the time those two are old enough to breed, Leopard mutts will be all over anyway. The current plan though is to keep them separated as adults.
 

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Hmmm. I do believe I have a very blond pardalis pardalis :D
 

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jsphr90 said:
Hmmm. I do believe I have a very blond pardalis pardalis :D

You'll have to show him off.
 

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You'll have to show him off.


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I have a thread in the leopard forum, I would hyperlink it but I'm on my mobile
 

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Is there any significant size difference between gpp and gpb? Or is it mostly just the coloring?
 

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Pokeymeg said:
Is there any significant size difference between gpp and gpb? Or is it mostly just the coloring?

GPP's are bigger than GPB's :cool:
 

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Does the bottom of the shell look different between the two?
 

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lushcious said:
Does the bottom of the shell look different between the two?

Typically the South African variety will have more of a darker plastron with markings. Babcocki leopards will be a little more blond in color. At the time of this thread, the hatchlings pictured did not have much of a distinguishable difference so I didn't include it here. I will on the yearling update shortly.

One of the members here recently did a thread on how his South Africans plastrons are developing.
 

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Mine both look Babcocki but have many spots on skin like a Pardalis. Im starting to think they are hybrids?
 

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Are there any noticeable differences in shyness or personality between the two? And about how much larger does the GPP get?
 

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Are there any noticeable differences in shyness or personality between the two? And about how much larger does the GPP get?

It depends on who you ask. We've discussed this quite extensively here. I've not been able to identify specific personality traits with specific species or subspecies. Each one has it's own personality. We have groups of both types of leopards and have some shy and some personable in both.

I believe the largest South African leopard (GPP) was recorded to be around 26 inches. Babcocki leopards typically max out at 12 - 16 inches.
 

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Neal said:
Typically the South African variety will have more of a darker plastron with markings. Babcocki leopards will be a little more blond in color. At the time of this thread, the hatchlings pictured did not have much of a distinguishable difference so I didn't include it here. I will on the yearling update shortly.

One of the members here recently did a thread on how his South Africans plastrons are developing.

:rolleyes: Ummmm... when will this up-date take place? I love seeing age progression for torts! :D
 

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:rolleyes: Ummmm... when will this up-date take place? I love seeing age progression for torts! :D

At this point it is looking like it will be done on the fourth of never. :p

Most of the babcocki leopards photographed for this thread have gone to new homes. The Pardalis are all here, but I don't think I could identify which one is which now in the pictures.

I may have some time this weekend. We'll see what happens...:D
 
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