the secret policemans other ball (warning graphic picture)

[Candy]

You know Yvonne was just being nice trying to explain what you didn't understand from my post. I won't try to explain it to you because I can tell that you wouldn't get it anyway so why waste anyone's time, right? So go ahead and hold your breath all you want to I don't think Yvonne really cares, do you?

 

[onarock]

RE: the secret policemans other ball

O.K. now I'm going to tell you what I think of your posting like you did to Shelly. I didn't look at your other thread because you had warned the squeamish not to look. Why in the world wouldn't you have done it to this one? When I look at a thread I have no desire to see a snake eating a poor little mouse or rat so please mark your threads like you did the other one. You think that putting a camera on the back of a tortoise is cruel but you don't think trapping a live animal in another animals cage for food isn't? What? Are you kidding me? This is a disgusting thread and I am so sorry that I even pulled it up. How sad. Done with looking at your threads as I would call you hypocritical at the least.

So were on the same page as to what I'm capable of undarstanding and not capable of understanding. I agreed with the first part of your post and wrote that I did in previous posts. Quoting You "You think that putting a camera on the back of a tortoise is cruel but you don't think trapping a live animal in another animals cage for food isn't? What? Are you kidding me? Like I said "Apples and Oranges". I could explain what apples and oranges are, but I dont think your capable of understanding that. As far as Yvonnes translation of all the posts I dont really care about that either. Oh and like I stated, in case it was written in French, I'm not holding my breath. So as far as you telling me to keep holding my breath. WHAAAAT? Are You Kidding Me?????

 

[ALDABRAMAN]

RE: the secret policemans other ball

I love watching predators do their thing. My wife can't stand it. She says she knows it happens and she knows that it needs to happen, but she doesn't want to watch it. I do. I want to learn all about it.

Well Tom ..... ya better not show this to wifey! ...
Caught this rare predator doing what they do best ~

JD~

Now that is funny, I like it....

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Hang on a second. I think at least one of the dissenters here posted pics of their box turtles eating LIVE bugs and worms... No warning!!! How is that any less hypocritical than someone posting a pic of a snake eating a frozen\thawed rat that was killed in a humane way? At that point, it is just meat - with fur... Do you ever eat fish? Chicken? Feed meat to your dogs or turtle or cats????

I'll never forget the first time one of my snakes grabbed a dead mouse from my feeding tongs. Could not believe the amasing speed and efficiency. There is a real food chain in life. Though has pretty blurry lines - some critters are on the top one day, bottom the next. Even the top will be at least worm food at some point... Life. Can't have it without death.

I feed my alligator snapping turtle live fish and worms. He won't eat grass or cactus. See your point, however I am not a snake or lizzard enthusiast.

 

[SILVERSTAR]

IN HIS DEFENSE THE GUY DID POST ''WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO'' that should have been acknowledged in my opinion.. in all fairness.

 

[coreyc]

IN HIS DEFENSE THE GUY DID POST ''WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO'' that should have been acknowledged in my opinion.. in all fairness.

He did not put the Warning up Josh the administrator did just for the record post # 18

 

[Yvonne G]

I know Yvonne. She was comparing the cruelty and the comparison is ridiculous. Animals have to eat, tortoises dont need cameras attached to their backs. The comparison of the two is apples and oranges. I think I was clear. This discussion doesnt warrant anymore of my time because to argue that the two arent apples and oranges is futile. However, Yvonne, if you want to try and argue the poing, I'm up to it. I'll tell you what. Sit there and think about it and start post your thoughts. I'll check in on this from time to time and when I feel youve made a good arguement I'll respond, but I'm not holding my breath.

HUH???? I'm a moderator, not an instigator. I was merely trying to explain Candy's point of view.

 

[Mao Senpai]

I don't know... everything has to eat so. I mean plants and bugs are alive and have feelings too. They are just silent and choose to express themselves differently. Now I love small critters and such too.. as I've had gerbils and such in the past. I just.. don't see whats the big deal, it's not like theres blood or the limbs are ripped apart. Besides people at the buffet eating are far more grotesque!

 

[onarock]

I know Yvonne. She was comparing the cruelty and the comparison is ridiculous. Animals have to eat, tortoises dont need cameras attached to their backs. The comparison of the two is apples and oranges. I think I was clear. This discussion doesnt warrant anymore of my time because to argue that the two arent apples and oranges is futile. However, Yvonne, if you want to try and argue the poing, I'm up to it. I'll tell you what. Sit there and think about it and start post your thoughts. I'll check in on this from time to time and when I feel youve made a good arguement I'll respond, but I'm not holding my breath.

HUH???? I'm a moderator, not an instigator. I was merely trying to explain Candy's point of view.

You know Yvonne, I wouldnt have hammered you if I didnt think it was warranted. I went back and looked at other times you responded to my post with truncated versions of them trying to make me look like an a** or YOU not fully understanding the thread and trying to put me in my place or that time YOU were flat out rude to me when I was trying to figure out how to post pics on threads and I didnt read Kyryas post because you were telling me to read Kristinas post. I didnt know her real name. You actually apologized for that one. So as far as you not being an instigator, I dont see it that way. Sorry if I jumped the gun on you, but maybe you have a better understandin of why I did.

 

[terryo]

chadk Wrote:
Hang on a second. I think at least one of the dissenters here posted pics of their box turtles eating LIVE bugs and worms... No warning!!! How is that any less hypocritical than someone posting a pic of a snake eating a frozen\thawed rat that was killed in a humane way? At that point, it is just meat - with fur... Do you ever eat fish? Chicken? Feed meat to your dogs or turtle or cats????

Just wanted to add my apologies to anyone who has a pet night crawler, wax worm, meal worm, or butter worm, if I offended you by posting my boxies eating them. If I do post any more pictures like this I will post a warning first.
I don't understand why no one here has posted pictures of their pet worms, like people have posted pictures of their pet rats.
On a more serious note, I respect everyone's right to feed their pets whatever they want to, but because some people find this tasteless, I still say there should to a warning for those of us who don't want to open the post.....simple enough, and absolutely NO offence meant to any snake owners. IMO.

 

[ChiKat]

Just wanted to add my apologies to anyone who has a pet night crawler, wax worm, meal worm, or butter worm, if I offended you by posting my boxies eating them. If I do post any more pictures like this I will post a warning first.

My pet mealworm and I thank you.

On a more serious note, I respect everyone's right to feed their pets whatever they want to, but because some people find this tasteless, I still say there should to a warning for those of us who don't want to open the post.....simple enough, and absolutely NO offence meant to any snake owners. IMO.

I agree. I would not have clicked on this thread if there had been a warning. Obviously snakes have to eat rodents, but I don't want to see that Though I was relieved to hear that you feed F/T!
On another forum someone posted a picture of their cat eating a fuzzy little chick...with no warning...and I could not get that image out of my head for the longest time!

 

[Ruby's Mom]

So what do you folks do when your specific tortoise is required to get it's monthly animal protien fix as is required of Redfoot tortoises? I sprinkle a few canned mealworms or crickets on Ruby's food, but sooner or later I'm going to have to cave and offer her a pinky mouse like I was instructed when I adopted her.

 

[John]

for the record i feed live its what they do in nature kill and eat,ive seen a snapping turtle grab duckling's off the surface of the water,they do that too live.i do however regret not posting a warning never crossed my mind didn't know this was a pg site,maybe that warning should be posted.WARNING THIS IS A PG SITE,AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH PEOPLE YOU WILL BE LABELED ARGUMENTITIVE,ALSO WE ARE ALL HERE TOO JUDGE YOU SINCE WE ARE ALL BETTER THAN YOU SO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY!!

 

[terryo]

I'm sorry you feel that way, because whenever I post I try to be very respectful, and polite, but if you feel that I've offended you in any way, I'm sorry. I don't feel that I am better then anyone at all. Your snake is beautiful, but the reason I don't own any is because I can't stand to feed a live, or frozen animal while it's still in it's natural state, but I certainly don't comdemn any one who does.
As for feeding my Redfoot, they will never get any pinkies, or mice from me. There are other sources of protein to feed, and I only feed mine protein once or twice a month, usually soaked cat food. When he's outside he finds all sorts of worms and bugs....sometimes he finds them inside too.

 

[ChiKat]

for the record i feed live its what they do in nature kill and eat

Oh boy...aren't you worried about about your snake getting injured (bit?)
In the wild, if a snake came across a mouse and wasn't hungry, they would go their separate ways. Stick them in a captive environment and the mouse might try to defend itself.

And I think we have been pretty respectful in this thread. We politely stated we would like to see a warning in the future.
I have had several sweet, adorable pet rats and I honestly would rather not see rats getting killed and consumed by a snake. A simple warning is all we requested

 

[chadk]

Right Katie. The 'what they do in nature' bit just doesn't hold water. Most reputable and experienced snake owners feed pre-killed rodents. Now if you are OK with being all natural, and letting snake mites take over, predators have access to it, letting a rat chew off your snakes eye, etc, that is your call. But not very smart IMHO. Snakes in the wild often die very young.

Not a lot of snakes live in a temperature controled plastic bin with food offered on a reliable schedule. So you've already killed the 'just being natural' arguement from the beginning. You may get away with feeding live 1,000 times, but it only takes one time to seriously harm your snake. A thawed out and warmed up rat wiggled around with feeding tongs will still get that snake to turn on the hunting instincts. They will still stalk it, strike fast, and coil. Some snakes have different personalities and may slack off a little on the striking and coiling, but most take feeding time pretty seriously

 

[Kristina]

Personally I feed frozen thawed. However, I raise my own mice and rats, and I do not see it as abuse to feed the rat to my snake. If I didn't, the snake would starve, and that WOULD be abuse.

Snakes have to eat too. I personally like my snake more than I like rats and mice. I treat the rats and mice exceptionally well, keep their cages spotless and their water fresh and their food is good, fresh and varied, all kinds of fruits and veggies and grains. Then they are humanely euthanized using CO2. Where is the abuse?

I do agree that when posting a picture of a snake or other predator feeding, a warning in the title is, well, pretty much required.

 

[John]

I've been keeping snakes now about 34 years both wild caught and captive bred,had a few get bit over the years,minor wound soon healed snake okay.heard the horror stories but those things happen too people who do not take the time too know their animals and be responsible.the live feed dead feed is an argument for another forum,but i feed live by my preference,i prefer too let the prey wiggle itself.most snakes would starve too death before the ate a non wiggling dead animal in the wild.snakes are predators that is why they exsist.unless you have personally had a snake seriously injured by a rodent,then your comments are most likely coming from reading about or hearing of someone else's experience.If i don't have first had knowledge on a subject i will not comment on it or offer advice,or judgement on someone else's practices.

 

[Kristina]

Well, I took in a rescue snake that had been injured by a rat and because of it became afraid of her prey. She was starving herself to death, had severe bite scars and a missing eye. I think that gives me a right to comment on f/t versus live.

Why do you automatically assume that people don't know what they are talking about? I find it really insulting.

 

[chadk]

News flash... when you have a snake in CAPTIVITY it is no longer IN THE WILD.... Just some food for tought

PS - have you actually witnessed a snake in the wild actually choose to starve to death rather than eat a previously killed prey item? I wonder what motivates some snakes to eat eggs?

 

[Kristina]

You know Chad, I was going to say the same thing.

The "it is natural for them to take live prey" argument is totally without merit, in my opinion. I have had the same discussion with people that feel the need to feed live ducks, chicks, mice, and fish to their predatory fish.

At the point that at animal has been taken from the wild or captive bred and placed in a glass or plastic box (aquarium or tub) you have taken away 99.9% of what makes that animal "wild" - it's freedom. In the wild, prey has just as much of a chance to escape as the snake or fish has to succeed. There is nothing "natural" about dropping a live creature into a tiny enclosure with a predator. It just plain isn't necessary.

To be frank I don't care what you do. It is your snake, your business. But don't try to make the rest of us feel stupid for not agreeing with you. I just know that I have a fat, happy snake with no bite scars from disgruntled rats. And that is fine by me.