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Hopefully, Frances will jump in with some answers for you on the IR-A question. She explains it well.
I'd like to go back quite a few years and return to something I said in the introduction of one of my earlier books:
"One has only to look at how intimately wild tortoises rely upon their natural environment for all of their biological requirements; food, warmth, moisture, humidity, light, cover, nesting sites and mates are all there in exactly the right balance. Tortoises are 'niche' animals that have adapted over the millennia to fit perfectly into a very specific environmental and ecological 'slot'. Remove them from that environment, cut them off from their ecological roots, and tortoises very rapidly begin to experience serious difficulties. Most captive environments do not even begin to approach the true environmental and ecological ideal of the animals they are supposed to contain. It is for this reason, because it is so absolutely fundamental to successful maintenance, that I would suggest that everyone who wishes to keep tortoises or turtles in captivity should examine as carefully as possible the native habitats of whatever species they intend to keep. Nothing is more instructive, or is likely to provide more insight, than a few days spent meeting tortoises in the wild or visiting their habitats"
This is something I feel quite strongly about, and I believe the above is as true to day as it ever was. Going back even further, writing in the context of diet in captivity, I have said this:
"Nutritional disorders. The disorders may be usefully divided into two main groups consisting of:
diseases of excess
diseases of deficiency
The dietary requirements of captive herbivorous chelonians are far more complex than has previously been assumed by many keepers. It is apparent that the simplistic approach of providing a high quality diet in mammalian terms is totally inadequate to meet the real needs of chelonians which have a completely different set of requirements. Indeed, that which may represent a high quality diet for a mammal or carnivorous reptile may have entirely negative consequences when presented to a chelonian herbivore"
Again, I feel this remains very true and very relevant. It goes to the core of the argument that the further we remove these animals from their natural environment, and natural diet, and the more we believe we can "improve" on these, the more problems we in fact create.
In that context, we see increasing evidence of keepers believing that "more is better" in so many areas. We started out finding that 'Tru-Lite' tubes made a huge difference to the prevention of MBD. More and more powerful lamps have subsequently been developed (this is no bad thing of itself), but keepers have often taken a very simplistic view, looked up mid-day UVB levels in the relevant natural habitat, and then 'blasted' their animals with this peak level for 14 hours a day! Not taking any account at all of the fact that the animal in question may never be out and about at mid-day in the first place!
The same thing is seen with temperatures. You hear about the "Preferred Optimum" - but this can be highly misleading. I was quite shocked, when recently, I reviewed a large number of books and papers that have relied upon such data - only to discover that in numerous cases, the methodology used to take those temperatures was defective. The result is that much of the "Preferred Optimum" information and advice in print is incorrect and effectively meaningless. Yet, you again encounter case after case of people deciding that if the "preferred optimum" they read in a book says 32 Celsius, it must be a great idea to provide that 24/7!
A further example is the person who reads that their tortoise, in the wild, is "most active" during the rainy season, and then decides that this must mean the rainy season is "best" and it is therefore a great idea and even "better" to provide it all year round.
These are fundamental mistakes. Mistakes not only in terms of the conditions that result, but also mistakes in terms of the psychology and education of keepers.
I have coined a term for this. I call it Environmental Excess Syndrome. I should probably add little (r), (c) and (TM) symbols! Regardless, you read it here for the first time, 20 December 2013. It is from a forthcoming book dealing with advanced principles of chelonian husbandry. I define it as referring not only to the unsuitable conditions themselves that result, but also to the motivations and behaviour of keepers who - while genuinely intending to do good - actually cause harm.
I'd like to go back quite a few years and return to something I said in the introduction of one of my earlier books:
"One has only to look at how intimately wild tortoises rely upon their natural environment for all of their biological requirements; food, warmth, moisture, humidity, light, cover, nesting sites and mates are all there in exactly the right balance. Tortoises are 'niche' animals that have adapted over the millennia to fit perfectly into a very specific environmental and ecological 'slot'. Remove them from that environment, cut them off from their ecological roots, and tortoises very rapidly begin to experience serious difficulties. Most captive environments do not even begin to approach the true environmental and ecological ideal of the animals they are supposed to contain. It is for this reason, because it is so absolutely fundamental to successful maintenance, that I would suggest that everyone who wishes to keep tortoises or turtles in captivity should examine as carefully as possible the native habitats of whatever species they intend to keep. Nothing is more instructive, or is likely to provide more insight, than a few days spent meeting tortoises in the wild or visiting their habitats"
This is something I feel quite strongly about, and I believe the above is as true to day as it ever was. Going back even further, writing in the context of diet in captivity, I have said this:
"Nutritional disorders. The disorders may be usefully divided into two main groups consisting of:
diseases of excess
diseases of deficiency
The dietary requirements of captive herbivorous chelonians are far more complex than has previously been assumed by many keepers. It is apparent that the simplistic approach of providing a high quality diet in mammalian terms is totally inadequate to meet the real needs of chelonians which have a completely different set of requirements. Indeed, that which may represent a high quality diet for a mammal or carnivorous reptile may have entirely negative consequences when presented to a chelonian herbivore"
Again, I feel this remains very true and very relevant. It goes to the core of the argument that the further we remove these animals from their natural environment, and natural diet, and the more we believe we can "improve" on these, the more problems we in fact create.
In that context, we see increasing evidence of keepers believing that "more is better" in so many areas. We started out finding that 'Tru-Lite' tubes made a huge difference to the prevention of MBD. More and more powerful lamps have subsequently been developed (this is no bad thing of itself), but keepers have often taken a very simplistic view, looked up mid-day UVB levels in the relevant natural habitat, and then 'blasted' their animals with this peak level for 14 hours a day! Not taking any account at all of the fact that the animal in question may never be out and about at mid-day in the first place!
The same thing is seen with temperatures. You hear about the "Preferred Optimum" - but this can be highly misleading. I was quite shocked, when recently, I reviewed a large number of books and papers that have relied upon such data - only to discover that in numerous cases, the methodology used to take those temperatures was defective. The result is that much of the "Preferred Optimum" information and advice in print is incorrect and effectively meaningless. Yet, you again encounter case after case of people deciding that if the "preferred optimum" they read in a book says 32 Celsius, it must be a great idea to provide that 24/7!
A further example is the person who reads that their tortoise, in the wild, is "most active" during the rainy season, and then decides that this must mean the rainy season is "best" and it is therefore a great idea and even "better" to provide it all year round.
These are fundamental mistakes. Mistakes not only in terms of the conditions that result, but also mistakes in terms of the psychology and education of keepers.
I have coined a term for this. I call it Environmental Excess Syndrome. I should probably add little (r), (c) and (TM) symbols! Regardless, you read it here for the first time, 20 December 2013. It is from a forthcoming book dealing with advanced principles of chelonian husbandry. I define it as referring not only to the unsuitable conditions themselves that result, but also to the motivations and behaviour of keepers who - while genuinely intending to do good - actually cause harm.