once your hobby becomes something you depend on for money, your scruples change, i've never seen it not happen...... i read about "reputable breeders", in my life i've bought turtles from a "reputable breeder" ONE time, they all arrived sick, they were not the animals i bought and i could not get in contact with the "reputable breeder"......... i'm not a fan of buying or selling something they don't have.......