LOOKING FOR A MATE

[speedy]

Hi everyone,
After another failed mating, I'm asking if anyone in the Chicago area, may have a male T.G. ibera. I need one to look same as Speedy, my female, Maybe the old books are true and subspecies may not breed. My current male has attempted for two seasons with no luck of eggs. Pictures are of Speedy. P3130831.JPG

 

[egyptiandan]

How big is Speedy? Do you know how long she has been in the country?

Danny

 

[CGKeith]

Are you saying you have been trying to breed her with another greek subspecies, other than Ibera? Do you have pictures of the male?

 

[speedy]

How big is Speedy? Do you know how long she has been in the country?
Danny

Hi Dan,
'Don't understand, "how long she has been in the country?", but anyway,,,

I raised her from a pup, of near 2 inches, My records are at home, but may be near 6-7 years old now. Got her at Watsons reptile swap in Carol Stream, IL. from a guy selling out of a box $80.00. She is now 7-1/8 inch.
The male looks different and about 6-1/8 long. He came from Petco. More photos can be seen from older posts I have submitted. You have identified them in the past. She's kept outside, in for the night. Male is kept separate, They "hooked up/mounted" in spring, but actually don't know if they coupled. I even set up an dirt/gravel mix in her terrarium, heated for constant soil tempurature. Can't find a local vet to get x-rays.

Thanks for inquiring

 

[egyptiandan]

Your female is most likely a T.g.ibera, but your male is definately not a T.g.ibera with coming from Petco.
You are going to have to find yourself a male T.g.ibera for the female to get fertile eggs from her.

Danny

 

[speedy]

Are you saying you have been trying to breed her with another greek subspecies, other than Ibera? Do you have pictures of the male?

Hi Keith,
Well, the male was identified by EG. Dan as T.G. ibera but looks of a different subspecies to me. But then I'm no pro. on the matter.
photos can be seen from older post, found under "speedy". She is dark with different carapace, he is tan like and rounder shell, head scale and eye shape also differ to me, but overall can still be an ibera per others identification.
Thanks for asking

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Your female is most likely a T.g.ibera, but your male is definately not a T.g.ibera with coming from Petco.
You are going to have to find yourself a male T.g.ibera for the female to get fertile eggs from her.

Danny

Dan, Dan,
Actually very good news, You have identified him before, maybe in haste, but what species do you think he may be, I can resend some photoes later, if you can not find my past post on it's identity.

Thanks again

 

[Yvonne G]

Here's a link to the previous thread where the tortoise pictures are:

http://tortoiseforum.org/thread-9461-post-82632.html#pid82632

Actually this is someone else's thread, but Speedy's female is shown it it. I'll keep looking for the thread with the male

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Sorry...looking through all of Speedy's past posts, I can only find where he showed pictures of the female and it was shown on another person's thread. Can't find the male at all. Only a description of the male, not a picture.

 

[speedy]

Here's a link to the previous thread where the tortoise pictures are:

http://tortoiseforum.org/thread-9461-post-82632.html#pid82632

Actually this is someone else's thread, but Speedy's female is shown it it. I'll keep looking for the thread with the male

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Sorry...looking through all of Speedy's past posts, I can only find where he showed pictures of the female and it was shown on another person's thread. Can't find the male at all. Only a description of the male, not a picture.

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To all, thanks much,
When I get home I'll post pictures of the male, in 3-4 hours, I always have difficulty pasting more then one photo, (when I add a second attachment the first disappears) any clear details on how it's done?

 

[Yvonne G]

Here ya go!

http://tortoiseforum.org/thread-5245.html

 

[speedy]

Your female is most likely a T.g.ibera, but your male is definately not a T.g.ibera with coming from Petco.
You are going to have to find yourself a male T.g.ibera for the female to get fertile eggs from her.

Danny

Here is my male:
Dan, If you need, I can send more photos. I Figured out how to attached multiple photos,,,no messing around with "photobucket" I just had to be patient after hitinh "add attachment"

 

[egyptiandan]

Nope he isn't a T.g.ibera He is a Syrian T.g.antakyensis. Can you post a plastron picture? He is nice though.

Danny

 

[speedy]

Nope he isn't a T.g.ibera He is a Syrian T.g.antakyensis. Can you post a plastron picture? He is nice though.

Danny

Hi Danny,
Here are a few more, mind you lighting is now evening sun, with different backgrounds, so color may be off. To help me understand, what is the main feature that makes him, antakyensis? Even though I prefer like subspecies, can you predict chances of a successful mating?

 

[dmmj]

Me too, oh wait you mean for a tortoise, never mind then.

 

[egyptiandan]

Chances of mating and fertile eggs is possible between the 2 subspecies. But she's not even letting him in , so the chances of this pair even producing eggs seems to be slim to none.
So if you want to produce T.g.ibera, than your just going to have to look for a male T.g.ibera.

Danny

 

[agiletorts]

If Speedy were 6-7 years old and 7 1/8" SCL, then you may have to wait 2-3 more years until she's fully mature. Yes I heard few Iberas matured around 7 years but I think most would have to wait until 9 to 10 years or more.

 

[egyptiandan]

It's more to do with size than age as to when a tortoise is adult. At 7 1/8" a T.g.ibera female is adult size and capable of laying eggs no matter what age.

Danny

 

[speedy]

Chances of mating and fertile eggs is possible between the 2 subspecies. But she's not even letting him in , so the chances of this pair even producing eggs seems to be slim to none.
So if you want to produce T.g.ibera, than your just going to have to look for a male T.g.ibera.

Danny

Hi Dan, just to add some info, he is maintaining his size at just over 6 inches. He eats well. --Was his head/nose/tapered eye shape, the prevailing I.D. features?
'get this. He escaped one fall and actually survived a chicago winter. Neighbor found him in spring. Tough little tote!

I'm open to references to find a male t.g.ibera, like Speedy. I'll be looking.

Thanks to all for the input, 'even the corny ones'.