Ok well this weekend was kind of a bummer for me. When it comes to the care of my tortoises that i had no problem. I've had my tortoise for years now and i've done extensive research on their proper care. This pass years i've always though she was an Ibera Greek but sad to say i was wrong. I wish I knew more about determining the different sub-species. Since im knowledgeable about the care, I think its time for me to begin reading up on different sub-species of greek torts. Any body can recommend a good book to buy or any website i can hop on to an read up on this? Possibly and old thread? I would love to be able to look at a greek tortoise one day and determine the species or at least get a better idea on what type they are.