These are true Sudans purchased as hatchlings directly from the hands of Brad Morris in 2012. Male is around 25 inches and the female is around 23 inches. Raised by me with daily soaks as babies and in a warm humid closed chamber with daily sunning excursions. Fed all sorts of grass, weeds, leaves, opuntia pads, flowers and grass hay. Occasional Mazuri supplementation. Pick up in Southern CA, or I don't mind driving a bit. $1500 each.