Has anyone heard of it or used it. Just wondering. Seen it in a CL ad. Link posted
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/pet/4255279426.html
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PAM Provent A Mite
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Never seen that before . Wish I had some back when I was keeping snakes . We always used powder mite killer . You would have to remove everything and keep them on news paper or paper towels .
I don't really have use for it now either. Would be nice to know if it is really safe, for tortoises. So many housing torts inside, would be nice if they didn't have too put up with the bugs too. I haven't read up on it yet, but plan on trying to find more info.
With little searching, I have found this stuff to be highly recommended for snake keepers and that it really does work. I also found that LLLREPTILE sells it. I have sent them a pm asking for their knowledge of this product and if it is something that tortoise keepers could use. I also asked them to post any info on this thread for all too see.
With little searching, I have found this stuff to be highly recommended for snake keepers and that it really does work. I also found that LLLREPTILE sells it. I have sent them a pm asking for their knowledge of this product and if it is something that tortoise keepers could use. I also asked them to post any info on this thread for all too see.
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Cool , if it keeps mites out maybe it will keep ants out .
Thanks, Barb. If that is a safe product, it would be nice to have around.
From what I have read on it myself. Snake forums and some other website, don't remember the actual name, the product is safe, for snakes at least. I'm hoping LLLREPTILE can confirm it being safe for tortoises too. You do have to remove animal and let the product dry, enough that it doesn't look wet and let the smell dissipate before placing animal back in. Some people that sell at reptile shows will even spray their show tables, incase the guy next too them have mite problems. You can't however, spray it on the animal itself.
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I hate prevent a mite. You can actually spray the animal with prevent a mite, but I wouldn't. I've used the product several times and it works in killing them and making my animals sick. If you use this product you can't keep a water bowl in the enclosure because they may want to soak or push bedding or paper towel whatever you use into the dish and if they take a drink it is fatal.
Knowing tortoises love to soak and that they bring bedding into their water it isn't advised for tortoises ( or at least I can say) I took the product to the vet and asked it it would be okay to use because I was snake sitting and they brought mites to my babies so naturally I freak out. The vet said absolutely not unless you take away the water dish so they can not ingest it.
My personal preference is using a product by the brand natural chemical and it is called reptile spray. I have used it on several occasions especially at and after reptile shows and it has worked every time for me.
Knowing tortoises love to soak and that they bring bedding into their water it isn't advised for tortoises ( or at least I can say) I took the product to the vet and asked it it would be okay to use because I was snake sitting and they brought mites to my babies so naturally I freak out. The vet said absolutely not unless you take away the water dish so they can not ingest it.
My personal preference is using a product by the brand natural chemical and it is called reptile spray. I have used it on several occasions especially at and after reptile shows and it has worked every time for me.
Thank you. I have not found that said yet. Glad you had experience with it. The other product you mentioned, "Reptile Spray", you have used this for tortoises? How is it used and what all can be sprayed with it and do you need to remove the animals first? Again, thank you for the first hand experience.
Thank you. I have not found that said yet. Glad you had experience with it. The other product you mentioned, "Reptile Spray", you have used this for tortoises? How is it used and what all can be sprayed with it and do you need to remove the animals first? Again, thank you for the hands on experience.
Thank you. I have not found that said yet. Glad you had experience with it. The other product you mentioned, "Reptile Spray", you have used this for tortoises? How is it used and what all can be sprayed with it and do you need to remove the animals first? Again, thank you for the hands on experience.
Thank you. I have not found that said yet. Glad you had experience with it. The other product you mentioned, "Reptile Spray", you have used this for tortoises? How is it used and what all can be sprayed with it and do you need to remove the animals first? Again, thank you for the hands on experience.
Thank you. I have not found that said yet. Glad you had experience with it. The other product you mentioned, "Reptile Spray", you have used this for tortoises? How is it used and what all can be sprayed with it and do you need to remove the animals first? Again, thank you for the hands on experience.
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Hey all! I got the PM, and thought I could chime in on PAM.
It is GREAT with snakes. While yes, you do have to keep the enclosure dryer than you would prefer when treating an active mite infestation, I do not at all recommend keeping the water bowl out entirely. Don't leave it in while you're spraying the cage for obvious reasons (it'll poison the water), but DO definitely put a bowl in. PAM is great for cages because you're supposed to spray it on substrate - it sinks in and continues to work for days after being used, and is most effective when it's used with substrate and not just a bare cage. It does work better with a dryer environment, but with snake keepers, that is essentially a short term problem for a longer term benefit. Kinda like treating fleas on a long haired dog - just shave the dog and treat the fleas, the hair will grow back. You can make the enclosure humid again once the mites are gone; the hard part is getting rid of the mites!
Now, for tortoises, I don't think you'd need it as often or as strong as a snake keeper would. It'll kill ticks in the enclosure, but not on the animal, so if you work with imports I suppose it'd be useful to have a PAM routine down. If you're experiencing sick animals or adverse reactions to the spray, it is likely being sprayed too heavily and the cage not left to air out for a long enough period of time. The spray for putting directly on the animal, Reptile Relief, will also cause problems if you use too much on too small of an animal - but that makes sense. After all, both products ARE poison intended to kill something - tiny little arthropod somethings, yes, but it is still a poison and should be treated as such. You wouldn't use the frontline intended for a great dane on a chihuahua, right? Small reptiles don't need much reptile relief at all for mite treatment, and in most cases with baby snakes we usually prefer to use a Q-tip with reptile relief on it rather than spray the entire animal.
I saw someone mention ant deterrent - yep, it's amazing for that. I use it in all my blue tongue skink enclosures as not only can skinks get mites, but I do get ants from time to time. I use PAM in their enclosures any time I've replaced more than half the bedding, and ants will not go in the enclosures. It's a lifesaver in more rural areas; I'll even spray it along the outside of the enclosure along the base just to be safe. For your tortoises, make sure after you spray that you let it air out for at least an hour - you should be able to stick your head in their enclosure and take a big sniff without smelling any provent a mite. If you wouldn't want to stick your head in the enclosure and take a whiff, well, why would you keep your tortoises somewhere you don't want to breathe the air??
Basically, when used correctly, it is the best snake mite enclosure treatment out there, and as an unadvertised side effect, it's pretty darn fantastic at ant deterrent too. Let me know if you guys have more specific questions and I'll do my best to answer! I use it at home as well at work, pretty darn familiar with it by now.
-Jen
It is GREAT with snakes. While yes, you do have to keep the enclosure dryer than you would prefer when treating an active mite infestation, I do not at all recommend keeping the water bowl out entirely. Don't leave it in while you're spraying the cage for obvious reasons (it'll poison the water), but DO definitely put a bowl in. PAM is great for cages because you're supposed to spray it on substrate - it sinks in and continues to work for days after being used, and is most effective when it's used with substrate and not just a bare cage. It does work better with a dryer environment, but with snake keepers, that is essentially a short term problem for a longer term benefit. Kinda like treating fleas on a long haired dog - just shave the dog and treat the fleas, the hair will grow back. You can make the enclosure humid again once the mites are gone; the hard part is getting rid of the mites!
Now, for tortoises, I don't think you'd need it as often or as strong as a snake keeper would. It'll kill ticks in the enclosure, but not on the animal, so if you work with imports I suppose it'd be useful to have a PAM routine down. If you're experiencing sick animals or adverse reactions to the spray, it is likely being sprayed too heavily and the cage not left to air out for a long enough period of time. The spray for putting directly on the animal, Reptile Relief, will also cause problems if you use too much on too small of an animal - but that makes sense. After all, both products ARE poison intended to kill something - tiny little arthropod somethings, yes, but it is still a poison and should be treated as such. You wouldn't use the frontline intended for a great dane on a chihuahua, right? Small reptiles don't need much reptile relief at all for mite treatment, and in most cases with baby snakes we usually prefer to use a Q-tip with reptile relief on it rather than spray the entire animal.
I saw someone mention ant deterrent - yep, it's amazing for that. I use it in all my blue tongue skink enclosures as not only can skinks get mites, but I do get ants from time to time. I use PAM in their enclosures any time I've replaced more than half the bedding, and ants will not go in the enclosures. It's a lifesaver in more rural areas; I'll even spray it along the outside of the enclosure along the base just to be safe. For your tortoises, make sure after you spray that you let it air out for at least an hour - you should be able to stick your head in their enclosure and take a big sniff without smelling any provent a mite. If you wouldn't want to stick your head in the enclosure and take a whiff, well, why would you keep your tortoises somewhere you don't want to breathe the air??
Basically, when used correctly, it is the best snake mite enclosure treatment out there, and as an unadvertised side effect, it's pretty darn fantastic at ant deterrent too. Let me know if you guys have more specific questions and I'll do my best to answer! I use it at home as well at work, pretty darn familiar with it by now.
-Jen
Thank you Jen for your hands on experience and sharing with us. We do appreciate it. Glad too know it will help with ants too.
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Re: RE: PAM Provent A Mite
The reptile relief works very well for me and I use it in the soil underneath my cypress and orchid bark instead of on top. Keeps all the little bugs away, but I have never had to use it on the tortoises themselves. I have had no need to so I don't want to know what it's like lol.
wellington said:
The reptile relief works very well for me and I use it in the soil underneath my cypress and orchid bark instead of on top. Keeps all the little bugs away, but I have never had to use it on the tortoises themselves. I have had no need to so I don't want to know what it's like lol.
