The evolution from lizard to turtle....

[zenoandthetortoise]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

 

[diamondbp]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

No it's not. People that don't understand creationism say such things. Creationism and evolutionism function in the same manner. If I have to give an example I will. I was just trying to avoid this nose diving into a debate.

 

[hunterk997]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

I agree, gravity is a theory, but we all stay stationed to the ground, and everything still falls down... Last I checked.

 

[diamondbp]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

I agree, gravity is a theory, but we all stay stationed to the ground, and everything still falls down... Last I checked.

But you can witness gravity. Noone can WITNESS macro evolution.

Variation AMONGST species happens but it has limits just as horses can only be breed to run so fast. Horses have genetic limits when it comes to speed.

Same with turtles. Box turtles can produce a variety of coloration but that's because the genetic information for those various colorations are ALREADY PRESENT in their genetic informaiton. That genetic information doesn't just appear from nowhere. It was already in place. So therefore nothing NEW is ever created. They remain box turtles, just variations of the same kind. (in a nutshell)

If not I would have a produced a bright purple gulf coast box turtle by now lol

 

[jaizei]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

No it's not. People that don't understand creationism say such things. Creationism and evolutionism function in the same manner. If I have to give an example I will. I was just trying to avoid this nose diving into a debate.

Just like people that don't understand science and evolution use theory as a pejorative. The theories that comprise the omnibus theory of evolution are based on observations, which spur hypothesis that are then tested. Providing more observations. Repeat. It is a never ending cycle of leaning. That is science. Evolution has been observed in insects and bacteria etc.

 

[hunterk997]

They should be "treated" equally, even if one is more "popular" than the other

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

I agree, gravity is a theory, but we all stay stationed to the ground, and everything still falls down... Last I checked.

But you can witness gravity. Noone can WITNESS macro evolution.

Variation AMONGST species happens but it has limits just as horses can only be breed to run so fast. Horses have genetic limits when it comes to speed.

Same with turtles. Box turtles can produce a variety of coloration but that's because the genetic information for those various colorations are ALREADY PRESENT in their genetic informaiton. That genetic information doesn't just appear from nowhere. It was already in place. So therefore nothing NEW is ever created. They remain box turtles, just variations of the same kind. (in a nutshell)

If not I would have a produced a bright purple gulf coast box turtle by now lol

Evolution is a series of mutations that help the organism survive and reproduce, therefore being helpful in life processes. This is why it takes so long in more complex organisms. You're speaking of genetics, I know. Take the flu virus for example. You have to get a new one every year because they virus evolved to be able to survive the vaccine previous to it. This of course is smaller scale, but a very similar concept. I think people just need to be open to the idea and do some research and give it a chance before disregarding it as a foolish ideas.

 

[diamondbp]

my point exactly.

Wow. This is like saying the stork story is a plausible explanation of human reproduction. Yes evolution is a theory. Like gravity. And electrons. Theories offer explanations, are testable, and make verifiable predictions. That's what would make it science.

I agree, gravity is a theory, but we all stay stationed to the ground, and everything still falls down... Last I checked.

But you can witness gravity. Noone can WITNESS macro evolution.

Variation AMONGST species happens but it has limits just as horses can only be breed to run so fast. Horses have genetic limits when it comes to speed.

Same with turtles. Box turtles can produce a variety of coloration but that's because the genetic information for those various colorations are ALREADY PRESENT in their genetic informaiton. That genetic information doesn't just appear from nowhere. It was already in place. So therefore nothing NEW is ever created. They remain box turtles, just variations of the same kind. (in a nutshell)

If not I would have a produced a bright purple gulf coast box turtle by now lol

Evolution is a series of mutations that help the organism survive and reproduce, therefore being helpful in life processes. This is why it takes so long in more complex organisms. You're speaking of genetics, I know. Take the flu virus for example. You have to get a new one every year because they virus evolved to be able to survive the vaccine previous to it. This of course is smaller scale, but a very similar concept. I think people just need to be open to the idea and do some research and give it a chance before disregarding it as a foolish ideas.

Let me ask you this, has the flu become a different KIND of being? Nope, it's still a virus and will ALWAYS be a virus. The flu virus could never evolve into anything other than a virus because the information isn't there and can not simply appear from thin air no matter how you arrange the genetics.

I don't consider evolution foolish because micro evolution happens everyday. I think people observe micro evolution and just assume that macro evolution must be true. People tend to combine all types of evolution (macro,micro,solar,cosmic,etc.) and group them all together under the umbrella term "evolution" . Micro evolution (variation amongst species) is true and does occur all the time, but that does not automatically mean that if given enough time that lizards become turtles. Time does not change the impossibility of macro evolution.

Variation amongst species mostly deals with the LOSS or shuffling of genetic information . Sometimes regressive genes will reappear but it's never anything BRAND NEW.

I could specifically breed box turtles for thousands of years and never end up with a box turtle with wings . Because that genetic information to create "wings" can never come about no matter how much you alter the genetic code of a box turtle. Altering genetic information usually has a profoundly negative effect. They will simply remain box turtles, just a variety within the kind.

 

[Yvonne G]

If you all would like to debate evolution, start a new thread in the debate section.