I'm sorry guys but something is wrong with that thread on my end and I can't seem to get into it. so I wasn't able to see the last 2 posts (well just the 2lines that show). So in response to that, they'll have to remove a section of his under shell and remove the rocks. Then put the shell back on. I don't know the details yet but I'll ask about that should he have to go through it. I'm not trying to put that energy out there. I'm believing in a less invasive approach....pooping them out. But nothing yet. However, he's loving being outside again and has been nibbling on the dry grass and clover.