Suitable burrow for outdoor enclosure

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Hi everyone! I was just wondering how to go about building a burrow for my sulcata tortoise. My plan was to use half of a large planting pot, but I don’t know how to split it. I can’t used any power tools because I’ll probably get myself hurt. Is there any other way to make a good burrow for a 7 year old sulcata tortoise? Or any premade ones that I could get?
 

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I dug deep and buried the half that wasn’t needed for the hide. pretty sure i got the idea/photo from this forum.
 

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Hi everyone! I was just wondering how to go about building a burrow for my sulcata tortoise. My plan was to use half of a large planting pot, but I don’t know how to split it. I can’t used any power tools because I’ll probably get myself hurt. Is there any other way to make a good burrow for a 7 year old sulcata tortoise? Or any premade ones that I could get?
It's too early for a burrow. It's still too cold at night, and we are heading back into some cooler weather next week even though it's 90 right now. Late June is the tome for burrows, and only in some parts of CA. Very different advice for Blythe vs. Big Bear. Palm Springs vs. Pacific Palisades. Mammoth vs. Malibu, etc... We don't need and address but a general idea of the climate would help us to help you. Coastal, mountain, desert, mild inland suburb, etc... How about picking a random city somewhat near your city? For example, if you live in Sunland, you could say it's near Burbank. That would tell us what we need to know about your weather and temps, so that we could give you better help. There are too many climates in SoCal for general advice to be very helpful. If you live near the beach, or up in the mountains, you do not want a burrow. If you live in 29 Palms, you will absolutely NEED a burrow for summer time.

When the time comes for a burrow, and IF you are in an area of CA that is hot enough for a burrow, the best way is to start digging a hole with a nice sloped entrance, and then put the tortoise in there a few times. Leave some nice soft loose dirt along the bottom of your excavation as this encourages them to dig. Try placing them in the hole at different times of the day too. I find mine usually wait for a hot spell in late spring/early summer to start digging. Once they start, it only takes them a day or two to make a deep usable burrow, though they may continue working on it for a while. Then in the fall, usually late October, I catch them above ground and cover the burrow entrance area with a sheet of plywood and make them start using their night house again. They never seem to have any problem making this instant transition. When the hot weather returns, I uncover the burrow entrance, and they usually start using it again within a few days, and then I unplug the night box.
 

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It's too early for a burrow. It's still too cold at night, and we are heading back into some cooler weather next week even though it's 90 right now. Late June is the tome for burrows, and only in some parts of CA. Very different advice for Blythe vs. Big Bear. Palm Springs vs. Pacific Palisades. Mammoth vs. Malibu, etc... We don't need and address but a general idea of the climate would help us to help you. Coastal, mountain, desert, mild inland suburb, etc... How about picking a random city somewhat near your city? For example, if you live in Sunland, you could say it's near Burbank. That would tell us what we need to know about your weather and temps, so that we could give you better help. There are too many climates in SoCal for general advice to be very helpful. If you live near the beach, or up in the mountains, you do not want a burrow. If you live in 29 Palms, you will absolutely NEED a burrow for summer time.

When the time comes for a burrow, and IF you are in an area of CA that is hot enough for a burrow, the best way is to start digging a hole with a nice sloped entrance, and then put the tortoise in there a few times. Leave some nice soft loose dirt along the bottom of your excavation as this encourages them to dig. Try placing them in the hole at different times of the day too. I find mine usually wait for a hot spell in late spring/early summer to start digging. Once they start, it only takes them a day or two to make a deep usable burrow, though they may continue working on it for a while. Then in the fall, usually late October, I catch them above ground and cover the burrow entrance area with a sheet of plywood and make them start using their night house again. They never seem to have any problem making this instant transition. When the hot weather returns, I uncover the burrow entrance, and they usually start using it again within a few days, and then I unplug the night box.
I’m thinking have the burrow for the daytime—I’ll have her inside until the night box is made during the night
 

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I’m thinking have the burrow for the daytime—I’ll have her inside until the night box is made during the night
You might be in an area that shouldn't use a burrow. Burrows are only needed in areas that get really hot.
 

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It gets really hot in my area
Are we talking over 100 most summer days? If yes, then a burrow would be great for summer time. Some people think 80 degrees is hot. I grew up near the coast and I can remember thinking we were all going to fry when the temp climbed all the way up to 85 degrees on a very hot summer day. We didn't have AC because it was almost never needed.
 

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Are we talking over 100 most summer days? If yes, then a burrow would be great for summer time. Some people think 80 degrees is hot. I grew up near the coast and I can remember thinking we were all going to fry when the temp climbed all the way up to 85 degrees on a very hot summer day.
Yeah then I may be overestimating how hot it gets here—it gets around 85 degrees on average and over 90 during heat waves. Is it bad for the tortoise to have a burrow or is it just unnecessary?
 
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Yeah then I may be overestimating how hot it gets here—it gets around 85 degrees on average and over 90 during heat waves. Is it bad for the tortoise to have a burrow or is it just unnecessary?
It's bad if it gets too cool too much of the time. It's unnecessary if the day time high isn't regularly topping 100 as it does in many parts of Southern CA. When the daytime high is at or over 100, the cooler nights don't make them sick down in a burrow. If its only 85, and then its a cool night, and you are close to the coast where is gets clammy and damp at night, then a burrow could be bad.

Without knowing where you are it's hard to make a recommendation. I can understand why a person doesn't want to give out their address, but no one can find you if you just tell us a city that is reasonably close to you with similar weather.
 

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It's bad if it gets too cool too much of the time. It's unnecessary if the day time high isn't regularly topping 100 as it does in many parts of Southern CA. When the daytime high is at or over 100, the cooler nights don't make them sick down in a burrow. If its only 85, and then its a cool night, and you are close to the coast where is gets clammy and damp at night, then a burrow could be bad.

Without knowing where you are it's hard to make a recommendation. I can understand why a person doesn't want to give out their address, but no one can find you if you just tell us a city that is reasonably close to you with similar weather.
I take her inside during the nighttime as I don’t have a night box made yet and it is clammy and damp at night—I was thinking just having a pot on its side could provide good shade during hot days (mainly thinking about having deep shade because the summer is coming up)

The city I live near is Santa Monica
 

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I take her inside during the nighttime as I don’t have a night box made yet and it is clammy and damp at night—I was thinking just having a pot on its side could provide good shade during hot days (mainly thinking about having deep shade because the summer is coming up)

The city I live near is Santa Monica
Got it. Now I understand the weather you are dealing with. I grew up just a few miles south of SaMo. Your weather is very mild and pretty comfortable for most humans most of the time, but it's on the cool side for an African tortoise from a VERY hot climate. I would not recommend a burrow in that area of the world. You just don't need it and ground temps are never going to e warm enough there. Cool ground temps coupled with cool daytime highs even in summer (cool by African tortoise standards...) are likely to make your tortoise sick.

Whatever you end up using for shade, stick a thermometer under it and let it sit there for an hour or more. This will tell you how effective your shelters are. Your problem will not be the heat. Your problem is going to be the cold. May gray and June gloom are coming soon. Get that heated night box built.

Also, you've mentioned bringing the tortoise inside. Inside is too cold unless you have some sort of heated area inside. And its even colder down on the floor. You need to get that night box built ASAP. That will help prevent a lot of problems for you. Even if you set your house thermostat to 80 degrees, it will still be 10-15 degrees cooler down on the floor.
 

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Got it. Now I understand the weather you are dealing with. I grew up just a few miles south of SaMo. Your weather is very mild and pretty comfortable for most humans most of the time, but it's on the cool side for an African tortoise from a VERY hot climate. I would not recommend a burrow in that area of the world. You just don't need it and ground temps are never going to e warm enough there. Cool ground temps coupled with cool daytime highs even in summer (cool by African tortoise standards...) are likely to make your tortoise sick.

Whatever you end up using for shade, stick a thermometer under it and let it sit there for an hour or more. This will tell you how effective your shelters are. Your problem will not be the heat. Your problem is going to be the cold. May gray and June gloom are coming soon. Get that heated night box built.

Also, you've mentioned bringing the tortoise inside. Inside is too cold unless you have some sort of heated area inside. And its even colder down on the floor. You need to get that night box built ASAP. That will help prevent a lot of problems for you. Even if you set your house thermostat to 80 degrees, it will still be 10-15 degrees cooler down on the floor.
I have a heated enclosure for her indoors but it’s quite small so I only have her in it during the night time. Any recommendations to make her outdoor enclosure have warmer areas or just the night box?
 

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I have a heated enclosure for her indoors but it’s quite small so I only have her in it during the night time. Any recommendations to make her outdoor enclosure have warmer areas or just the night box?
Just the night box. And then you won't have to move the tortoise in and out every day, and she'll also have a warm retreat for those cooler days like what we are having this week, and for the May Gray and June Gloom.
 

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Just the night box. And then you won't have to move the tortoise in and out every day, and she'll also have a warm retreat for those cooler days like what we are having this week, and for the May Gray and June Gloom.
got it!
 
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