big old cherryhead.

[HLogic]

I'm going to attempt to explain what I was thinking and trying to find out, I think Hlogic has answered my thoughts.

I own 6 northerns with an orangey color areola and 1 cherryhead with whitish color areola.
The 5 that the lady fetched to my house for me to look at all had whitish color areola. These were 3 northerns and 2 cherryheads.

Does this mean that all 3 cherryheads and the 3 northerns with whitish areola are from the same region of locality, and my 6 northerns are from a separate region of locality.

Is this a way if I wanted to, to keep a true blood line?

No, cherryheads are a southern clade, population, locality, subspecies or whatever the taxonomic gurus decide is the distinction (if, indeed, there is any). In each of the 'groups' of RF's, there are quite distant and different populations. Like any widely spread species which is geographically restricted, there will be differences. Areolar coloration, along with head, leg and plastral color and pattern will differ between those subpopulations. As an example, the pic below is a Colombian RF from a specific region - a subpopulation with substantially different coloration than others...

 

[N2TORTS]

Art well put ….especially this line – "(if, indeed, there is any)".
Now that some of my Mentors and RF experts are sharing, would be interesting to hear why the “specific local” coloring appears? Most forms of coloring with ALL animals are due to camouflage or weather extremes. With really no “exact” isolation (yes I know about the Amazon) – South America is a large continent – plus the involvement of man and in this country RF’s are more of a meal within the true native people, why would the colors stay so called consistent in one particular area? Please share your thoughts……

 

[HLogic]

Art well put ….especially this line – "(if, indeed, there is any)".
Now that some of my Mentors and RF experts are sharing, would be interesting to hear why the “specific local” coloring appears? Most forms of coloring with ALL animals are due to camouflage or weather extremes. With really no “exact” isolation (yes I know about the Amazon) – South America is a large continent – plus the involvement of man and in this country RF’s are more of a meal within the true native people, why would the colors stay so called consistent in one particular area? Please share your thoughts……

Isolation of genetic phenotypes. Much like, prior to wide travel, eye shape/color, hair color, albinism, hereditary disease, etc. in humans.

 

[N2TORTS]

Art thanks for the reply ....and yes I agree ...but from the get -go ....there has been wide spread variances even within so called Isolated groups. Why I would use the "color appearance" to name a Local specific very loosely. Nevertheless fascinating stuff and why Hypo's Rock! The human example is an excellent one ....and exactly my point ....within the last 100 years there has been more "mixing" of genes in the Homo-gene pool.

 

[Yvonne G]

Back on track, please.

 

[Robber]

Wow the anal scutes of the one in the first post sure look male being as wide and thick as they are, but the tail does indeed look small...not sure about that one.

 

[stojanovski92113]

Very interesting stuff read here. @Anyfoot I wish I lived closer to us, I would help take some of those Redfoots & a yellowfoot off your hands. Those are beautiful pics of the torts.

 

[Anyfoot]

Very interesting stuff read here. @Anyfoot I wish I lived closer to us, I would help take some of those Redfoots & a yellowfoot off your hands. Those are beautiful pics of the torts.

I wish I lived closer to you guys too. But it is what it is .Everyone wants what they can't have, that's life. lol It is a problem I have because She has a group of ten reds and 2 female yellows. The owner will no longer be able to look after them within about a year or so. She doesn't want to split them if possible and has turned numerous offers down. Its a sad story really. Told her she's more than welcome to my house any time to keep involved with torts and has been twice with her family to get to know us. Extremely nice people. Unfortunately the reality is I won't be able to give the adequate space for all of those, I plan to discuss our options with her next time. Not making any decisions until i've sorted my new environment out which is an ongoing project as we speak.

 

[Anyfoot]

Wow the anal scutes of the one in the first post sure look male being as wide and thick as they are, but the tail does indeed look small...not sure about that one.

I agree with what you say about the anal scutes but the tail is definitely of a female, Take a look at this one they named Thomas and when he/she matured altered to Thomasener, due to thinking its a female. The plastron is slightly concave. Thoughts anybody.

 

[cdmay]

Total female. No question.
Many older 'mature' female red foots develop a slightly concave plastron. In addition, one of my big females has a tail that many experts would scream MALE! Yet she has produced countless hatchlings.
As a side note, that is a very unique looking girl and well worth getting your hands on.

 

[bouaboua]

Great thread......Learn something again! ! ! ! !

 

[Robber]

Total female. No question.
Many older 'mature' female red foots develop a slightly concave plastron. In addition, one of my big females has a tail that many experts would scream MALE! Yet she has produced countless hatchlings.

Yeah everything looks female except the THICKNESS of the tail(wow). But, the length of the tail certainly seems female.