differences between pp and pb

[tarta4ever]

hi, i m going to buy two pardalis pardalis.so i want to know if there are some differences between pb and pp.
i m talking from raising point of view

 

[wellington]

No, they both require the same high humidity. Toms threads on raising leopards in the high humidity was with the GPP. That's what he raised or if he still does, raises.

 

[BeeBee*BeeLeaves]

Same. You raise them the same, and also the same as a sulcata baby. Warm and humid, lots of variety of foods. Soaks are vital. And of course sunshine when you can, with shade available, always. : )

 

[tarta4ever]

So how many % of humidity I should have for two Pardalis Pardalis of 3,5 inc long?

 

[thomas0604]

SAME！

 

[wellington]

Approximately up to two years of age or around 8 inches or so they will still benefit from the 80% humidity. After that you can drop it and offer a humid (80%) hide and some humidity in the enclosure. If you keep them outside during the day, offer them a high humid place for bad weather days and for night time. Even as adults, they should have a humid hide to retreat to.

 

[diamondbp]

We would love to see pictures of them once you receive them!

 

[Neal]

As the others have said, both types of leopards can be raised the exact same way.

I don't agree that adults should have a humid hide to retreat to. I suppose it couldn't harm them, but I can't think of any benefit that would provide them with. The only difference as adults between the two that I would consider is possibly more living space for the South African variety since they will likely be larger tortoises.

 

[Tom]

Don't buy two. Buy one or three or more. Pairs don't do well. http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-34837.html

The differences in care for me, are larger enclosures, like Neal mentioned, and I feed much more grass to the pp than the pb.

Personality wise also be prepared for the pp to be much more bold and boisterous as they age. I have five male 3 year olds, and they get quite pushy. Pbs typically aren't this bad.

 

[tarta4ever]

Sure when i ll receive them i ll put the pics.
Another question now I m creating a dry zone with 50-60% of humidity and a wet zone with 80%. Is this well setting?

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I shoud use also a supplement?

 

[Tom]

Sure when i ll receive them i ll put the pics.
Another question now I m creating a dry zone with 50-60% of humidity and a wet zone with 80%. Is this well setting?

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I shoud use also a supplement?

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Please read this:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-79895.html

It will answer your questions about the humidity and supplements. I would not house them that way, and yes you will need supplements.

 

[tarta4ever]

Thanks for the link, I have to use only calcium or also d3?

 

[Tom]

Calcium 2x a week.
Vitamins once a week.
MinerALL instead of calcium, sometimes.

I don't bother with D3. If they have indoor UV or get regular sunshine, they make there own. Having said that, I don't think D3 in a calcium supplement will hurt anything either.

 

[Vegas_Leopard]

The only "dry zone" should be their basking spot. Ambient 80%-90% humidity, humid hide 99%+ and for the basking spot I'd just try to shoot for 60%+

 

[Tom]

The only "dry zone" should be their basking spot. Ambient 80%-90% humidity, humid hide 99%+ and for the basking spot I'd just try to shoot for 60%+

I agree. Personally I just use a closed chamber and keep the whole thing 80+% all the time. Of course it is lower than that directly under the bulb, but this system works for me.

 

[tarta4ever]

for how many time I have to use this settings ?

 

[Tom]

for how many time I have to use this settings ?

I'm sorry. I don't understand the question. Do you mean how long do they need this sort of set up?

We use the high humidity, warm temps, good hydration methods to prevent pyramiding and keep the babies healthy. As they gain size, this becomes less critical. Eventually all of mine live outside. It is very dry here and that does affect shell growth even on larger ones.

 

[Vegas_Leopard]

If you're using a closed chamber like Tom, has instructed, you won't have a problem keeping the settings this way. You've just got to do some tuning until temperatures and humidity are met. A lot of us use closed chambers because it's proven fact by Tom, that this is the most health beneficial way of raising our African tortoises.

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If you haven't made your purchase yet, I suggest you setup your enclosure first and provide the correct temperatures and humidity. Instead of buying two buy one and use the money to make a closed chamber, that's just me though.

 

[tarta4ever]

The tortoise is for my friends so because of he is at the first experience with exotics i have advice he to use a box of 160x100x60

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Those are the turtle that I should buy but seems both male because the V at the tail,I'm right?or is too early to consider it
Sorry for my bad English I hope you understand me

 

[Tom]

That is a good starting size for a hatchling.