I created another topic about hides and are they needed, most of the answers concerned stress and security as the major reason they should have hides. I believe "stress" is a human condition, and we have stress because we can think of the future and what may happen. I may be stressed because I can't pay my utilities and they may be turned off. I don't believe a tortoise stresses that if he/she goes out to feed it might rain and he might not find a hide to wait out the weather. A tortoise has no concept of the future, they live minute to minute so can't be stressed. What does security mean for a Tortoise? They have instints not feelings. A tortoise isn't going to go 'phew I found a hole, now i'm not going to be eaten'. Am I wrong?