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Badgemash

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Hello everyone, I've been browsing the site for a bit and it's wonderful to find a place with so much information and so many helpful people! My husband has wanted a tortoise since he was a child, and last night we brought home 2 little leopard hatchlings, about 2 inches long. I'll go ahead and put all of the details next before I start in on the questions. I'm new to tortoises so I want to be sure we're doing this right.

We built them a 4'x2' wooden pen on wheels so they can go outside in the mornings (we live in Phoenix and I'm afraid it's too hot in the afternoons). We're currently using an Exo-Terra 125w mercury vapor bulb on the warm end which is ranging from 89-93F, from 8am-8pm. The opposite end has a shallow (but heavy) water dish big enough for them both to soak in, and the temps are ranging from 75-80. There is also a hiding log which feels pretty cool inside but I haven't put the thermometer cord in there yet. They're currently on the shredded coconut bark substrate, but I didn't want them eating it so all of their food is on a big sandstone slab (at the cooler end). We've offered them dried timothy hay and orchard grass (both from the pet store) cut into little pieces, and basil, mint, dandelion greens, endive, and wheat grass (all fresh and organic from whole foods). We also offered them a bit of cut up prickly pear cactus (the green pad, not the fruit).

When we brought them home last night we gave them a soak in case they were dehydrated and they both had a little drink and crawled back out. They wandered around for a bit, ignored the food, then crawled under the hiding log and didn't come back out for the rest of the night. They've been a bit more active this morning, and finally started eating about 10 minutes ago. First one, then the other ripped into the endive and they ate everything but the stem in the middle. They've ignored everything else though.

What is normal hatchling eating behavior? Should I leave the food in all day or can they overeat if I do that? What is the best way to get the calcium supplement into them? How much should they sleep at this age? Also one of them sporadically makes an odd sort of chirping noise, does that mean anything?

Sorry, I know that's a lot of info/questions, I just want to be sure we give them the best care possible.

Thank you!
 

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Congratulations on your new arrivals, and welcome to the forum!
I'd consider offering mixed salad, (i think you guys in the states refer to this as spring mix) in addition to the food selection you have there and see if they nibble any of that! Easiest way to get the calcium in them is to sprinkle it on the food!
 

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Your setup sounds good. Although, the basking temperature (at the hottest spot) should be 93-100 at all times. Ambient room temperature sounds great at 75-80 degrees like you have it.

The hide you mentioned that was "cooler" probably isn't and is probably room temperature, so that's fine too.

As far as the food goes. It's very hard to get hatchlings to eat grasses and hays. It's just too rough for them most of the time and they might not like the taste that young.

I would get a Spring Mix container and feed them that. If it has a lot of spinach in it, just don't feed too much of that. Dandelions and endive are great. The basil/mint I wouldn't feed as part of the diet. Prickly pear pads are also great. Chop/Moosh it up so it's in pieces that they can eat. Being that small, they probably can't tear through too many things that are thick (grass, hay etc).

My hatchling didn't start eating grasses until he was about a year old, and even then I chop it into small 1/4" pieces. You can also chop up the grass into 1/4" pieces and mix it in with their greens too. Just don't overwhelm them with it.

You can also buy Collard, turnip and radish greens to mix in for variety. Radicchio is also good. What I found worked the best for mine was I would tear the greens into bite size pieces and make a mixed salad out of it. It gives a lot of variety and he tended to eat a lot more this way.
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I usually leave the food for about an hour. If he didn't eat it by now, he probably won't (at least for my guy). Hatchlings can be fed twice daily. I usually feed at 9-10am and then again at 3-5pm.

I use pure calcium carbonate in the powdered form and sprinkle a bit on every meal. You can also buy a cuttlebone for them to nibble on when they want as well.

Is your substrate moist? If not, pour some water in there and moosh it up all together. You want it to be moist, not dripping wet if you squeeze it. Humid hides are also good.

Hatchlings will hide a lot, especially in a new area. Don't be surprised if they take a few weeks to settle in.

Whew that was a lot sorry! We would love to see pics of them and their enclosure!
 

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Thanks for the advice, I chopped up their food this morning (with some fresh grass) and they scarfed it down. I'm keeping the substrate moist but not wet, just slightly damp.

The pictures are from Friday night when we brought them home and they were playing/drinking in their bowl. The more yellow one is Octavia and the darker is Leopold. I'll try to get some better photos today, those were done on the camera phone.
 

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Hi Badgemash:

Welcome to the forum!!
 

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Hello badgemash and welcome! It sounds like you have done your research and doing a fabulous job. I too live in Arizona and you are right about th extreme heat. Really neat idea of a home on wheels.
 

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Oh my gosh, they are both adorable. Congratulations and welcome to the forum. : )
 
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